GreenSox

The love of mediocre declining veterans is endless. But I have little doubt that ace evaluator Williams will grant all wishes.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 1, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) Center field. The bat is what excites about Profar. 23 year old potential centerfielder and a potential upgrade over Rollins/Saladino. I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. Let's see what Saladino does. He could change a lot of the Sox thinking re what to do with the young players.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jun 1, 2016 -> 03:10 AM) 4. Colorado Rockies trade Carlos Gonzalez and Ryan McMahon for Avisail Garcia, Carson Fulmer, Adam Engel, and Tyler Danish. See the link below for the other trades as well as why they think the trade makes too much sense. (Not sure if it was thread worthy) http://www.yardbarker.com/mobile/content/a..._12680_21012697 Pass

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2016 -> 09:03 AM) Profar is reportedly becoming capable of playing LF/CF, but for now is primarily an infielder (more value to the Rangers, more trade value in general). Well, he was called up really young and couldn't it. 3 years and 20 at bats later, he's doing well. I don't know what to make of that. the other factor is that he's a free agent in 3.5 years. It's not like he's a young guy you can develop and control for 6. Most of all, I don't see the point. Sox are fine in the middle infield; yea he can play OF, but will his bat fit there?

Sure, if the Sox are below .500.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 1, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) Saladino hasn't proven anything. Before the last 3 games he was a negative fWAR player and had a whopping .571 OPS. More than 50 points less than Rollins on the season. He didn't all the sudden become a good Major Leaguer because he had 3 straight good games. He's also superior defensively, and he's also young so always could improve (v. 37 and in rapid decline). And Rollins' numbers while better at the time, were still terrible. This veteran/patchwork/band-aid mindset is one of the reasons why there are 2 playoffs in 16 seasons.

Where is sox weakness at SS or 2b?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) I'm not saying I'm in favor of benching Lawrie, he can actually dial it up and hit really good FB's unlike some of our other bottom of the order hitters. If Ventura's made up his mind before tonight's game that Rollins will play and he already announced it publicly, don't see him going back on that. Could have just as easily said you DH Frazier and play Saladino at 3B but we're in an NL park and definitely need the threat of Todd's power bat in the middle of the line-up. Same thing with sitting Frazier, not when he's leading MLB in homers and Abreu's continuing his disappearing power act. You could also play Tyler in LF, move Eaton to CF (or use Shuck there) and Melky back in RF. Or, instead of all of these contrivances, just play Saladino at Short. not only should Saladino play, Rollins should NOT play, considering that matchup. I don't get the pressing need to play Rollins.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2016 -> 09:16 PM) How do you not at least have Saladino playing 2B tmrw? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Lawrie has done nothing to deserve getting benched. And Rollins has done nothing to suggest he should start. Maybe Rollins will start moping if he doesn't play...but if he mopes, he goes. Right now, he's still useful as a bat against lefties.

They're both pitching capably as #5s leave them alone and forget Shields.

I like how Lawrie handled that bad call at 2nd; didn't even look at the ump, just signaled the dugout to get on the phone.

Sands hasn't been overly impressive; not sure the reason why a Charlotte guy or 2 couldn't give things a shot. Coats looks like he'd be an upgrade. Either Hayes or Merkin tweeted that they were going to give Delmonico some time in the outfield. From what read and the little I saw of Renaudo, he throws a real straight fastball that major league hitters tattoo. I wonder if they've been able to address that.

Saladino has played his ass off the last 2 seasons; things are now coming together. Looks like Rowand at the plate. Guys who had solid, not great minor league careers and who weren't top prospects aren't necessarily utility players. OPS > .750 and highest batting average on the team.

Worse outing than Latos, Danks or Gonzalez have had. But he is that key age of 34. Nevertheless, move on, Williams.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) KW at least knew that when you have limited assets or resources available, you put all your chips in with the product on the field rather than investing in the future because 90% of those investments don't pan out (unless you're cash rich and you can throw tons of money at the problem like the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, etc.) And what are Williams' results with chips all in? 2 playoffs in 16 seasons. And in neither of those 2 did he go "all in" in July. The Griffey trade was in 08 I think, but that was for scraps. In 05 the only move he made was for a utility player. Yes 90% of prospects flame out....of course Williams has a nice percentage of his veterans flaming out. He likes players who are on the downside of their peak, for some reason.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 30, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Thoughts on this move? Has such a move happened at any other time this year? Does Robin know more than the rest of the baseball world? Is he going to single handedly bring bunting back in vogue? bad Ventura has limited skills. It's pure comedy considering one of the 2 hitters who had a chance to knock him in was Shuck.

A new day Another way.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ May 28, 2016 -> 10:38 PM) That salary is what would allow Sox to get him without giving up better players like Anderson. There really isn't a scenario where a 34 year old 3/4 starter nets a top 50 prospect

As others have said, JR needs to do what the Blackhawks apparently did: hire a President (or whatever) that revitalizes the org. Ken Williams isn't coming close to doing a competent job.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 30, 2016 -> 10:08 AM) Look at the splits against RHP. It is absurd to ever start Rollins against a RHP Good point: Rollins: .492 Saladino: .757

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 30, 2016 -> 07:53 AM) Coats had another big game for Knights in 5-3 loss. 4 for 5, HR, couple doubles. Average up to .322. OPS well over .900. 3 hits for Delmonico too. His avg up to respectable level (.260s).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) And we're really not going to give Saladino more chances to play at least 4-5 times per week with how good he's looked recently? Hmmmmm.... Saladino playing regularly is a big negatory. Saladino OPS: .670 Rollins: .631 The defensive difference speaks for itself. Hmm, indeed. And people think I make this stuff up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...529-column.html He also gave a vote of confidence to Drake. He's best at pitching.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ May 29, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) I don't even want to give up Tatis Jr. Just give them EJ if we are taking on all that salary. It's basically a salary dump for them. That's a fair deal. EJ's on the outs anyway. You can't give up serious prospects for this guy.

This is true to an extent; but they are also mentally damaged right now. and I know I'm a broken record, but the lack of development of young pitching is part of the problem because it requires band aid after band aid when you can't put a guy from the org in there.