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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 13, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) I think you have to look at the totality of the draft to judge it. Especially in the new structure. Even if they get a guy at 10 that was seen as more 15-20, if they save money and then get a second 10-20 guy at 27, that's a win. If they can pull that off. That would require some self awareness of the part of the player that he is a reach. I guess you work that out with the agent ahead of time and telling the elite for the player and they agree ahead of time to sign for 15 to 20 money. if they don't agree you just can't reach like that and leave it to negotiations because the agent will come up with 20 charts showing that this player could've been picked in the top 8.

Anderson comes up in September. That will give them a month of experience and he can take over next year

I suggest he start earning it.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 11, 2016 -> 07:38 AM) I'm interested in how you came to that conclusion. The umpire as part of the sport is far more part of the culture of baseball than referees are in football, hoops, et al. Pretty obviously.

Players need time to settle in before if you can tell if they are a bench player or starter material. Sanchez may not be versatile enough for the bench...probably isn't.

sorry double post

Sox absence on international front in the year when clearly should go all-in is consistent with the way they've viewed their minor-leagues for most of Williams' tenure. Very little interest or patience in building an organization, despite Hahn's words to the contrary. Watch for mature, but low ceiling, reaches in the draft this year.

Pitch framing catchers would object to this idea. The irony is that officials are most ingrained into baseball versus all of the sports. And yet baseball umpires would be the easiest officials to completely replace with automated technology. The only issues would be plays that would require human review.

2 different players. Santana is an aging, overpaid #5 starter (but a good #5, as of now) who you have to pay for 2 more years. He should be had for a middlin prospect. Tehran is a 3/4, young, and the Braves will want a pretty price for him. Tehran is much better...and far more expensive in terms of talent to the other team.

QUOTE (Dunt @ May 10, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) They need improve out of SS the most IMO. SS, like Catcher and to a lesser extent CF, is defense first position. The Sox have below .700 OPS from 3 positions: C, SS and CF. And yet it works out fine. Too high a premium to pay for a SS who can hit and play D (which is why you try to grow your own). Anyone who expected Rollins to hit much this year was in la la land. But he handles the position defensively; we might get a little more O out of Saladino/Sanchez (we might not; but we won't with Rollins) so I would like to see them play a little more.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 10, 2016 -> 05:16 PM) That's not a total Kenny deal, that is a misconception. KW never gave away many pieces that were highly regarded like that, more often than not he traded prospects that just disappeared into other organizations The only guy that he traded that ended up really good was Gio, and he used Gio as a trade chip twice and got some good players back. He got A good player back for Gio: Thome. But that also involved Rowand and pushing out Frank Thomas. Prospects are currency, and while the prospects didn't turn out so hot (although some are producing now), the returns Williams received didn't do a thing either. 2 playoffs in 12/13 seasons. The Sox can do better than the Lose-Lose approach under Williams.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 10, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) Adams, Danish, Hawkins, and Engel for Markakis, Teheran, and $5 million. Which team would say no to that deal? You're essentially trading those 4 for Tehran, a mid rotation guy. Pricey. I wouldn't mind having Markakis (although before Avi's started hitting I was more interested), but a reason is that he should come cheap - he really has no trade value. See Rios c. 2012 who had a high salary and a OPS in excess of .700 and, rightfully, zero trade value.

No reason to get rid of him, but his professional veteran status isn't a good reason to keep him. We have others in that category. He's handling the position. Saladino and/or Sanchez should start more than they do, however,

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ May 9, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) There's been a lot of talk about how valuable Jackson has been to the Sox. Not only does he provide outstanding defense in center field, having him on the team has allowed Eaton to move to and thrive in right field. He doesn't have a great bat, but to me his defense more than makes up for that. So, what are the chances the Sox try to sign him to an extension? And if the Sox are interested in doing so, is he interested in staying with the Sox? I know it's early, but it would be hard to imagine taking a step backward next year in the outfield. His defense has been great and these players obviously have meshed well as a team, but as an individual player, he's hitting a .622 OPS. We can find a defensive outfielder. Root for Jacob May to have a good year.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ May 8, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) It's not a great contract but would definitely help us over the next few seasons....do y'all think we could get Joey Votto from Cincy? Given the Cubs success and youth, I can't believe Cincy sees themselves as competitive any time in the near future. Maybe they look to unload that contract now. It's a lot of loot but if we are WS contenders for the next 3-5 years, it's worth making the move. If the Sox are world series contenders for the next 3-5 years, it certainly won't be with THIS team. The Sox lose 2 catchers, 2 starters, the SS and CF after this year. How do you propose to fill those holes by jettisoning young players for one 32 year old? Sure the Sox can sign some of them back, sure maybe another C or CF may be available on a 1 year deal for 2017...but maybe not. And all of these guys are old. And then look at 2018, when we lose our LF, 2b and 3b. And let's talk 32. How confident are you that someone who is now 32 and having a bad year, will produce to elite levels in 3-5 years? Make no mistake....all of this drooling over Reds and Brewers players can only help, if it does help, THIS year. And it will HURT the chances to win in the next 2-5 years. As for trading young pitchers, the Sox have drafted heavily in pitching and as of now have 3 dependable starters in their prime and ZERO in AAA. It certainly is true that the odds of any individual minor league pitcher making the majors as a solid starter is small. But some of these guys in A and AA WILL become ML starters and you need to leave them alone and let them develop. And then, look at the track record of the "stars" the Sox trade for. Pretty ugly. Look at Carlos Gomez, another Brewer, with Houston.

Some guys in Kanny are looking promising. The Dash figured to struggle some this year, but it's really rough right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 8, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) Free agent signings are one thing, but when you start talking about trading Rodon or Quintana, Eaton, Fulmer and Anderson, then you're shooting yourself in the foot too much because we don't have the minor league depth remaining to cover for all the loss in talent. yes, what we should do is invest in the farm and sign FAs and make minor acquisitions or young player-for-young player for players we need. No young players for past their prime veterans with bad-splits playing in band boxes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 7, 2016 -> 10:01 AM) I see you are enjoying the 20-10 start. You must be a treat to be around. How's Addison Reed these days, Mr Sunshine? Drake and Adam? I'm enjoying the winning very much,thank you. We'd be even better, and for more years, if we'd stop trading young talent for these "stars" who never really were "stars." I'm enjoying Avi Garcia as well.....of course, supporting him is considered "negative" according to your groupthink.

Oakland a bit premature in calling up Wendelken (to say the least). Josh Phegley was Oakland's best pitcher today. Even got a K.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 5, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) Trade chip? This is an organization that just called up Scott Carroll. It's not exactly rolling in pitching. How about developing him, maybe rushing him a little to AAA, and see what happens. The alternative is to trade 3 Danishs at inflated July prices for one "proven pitcher" who has a good chance of flopping.

They can work on that.

What exactly has Ventura done to earn an extension? He ran a clubhouse that was nothing but a clown act for 3 years. Williams had to play the heavy in the Laroche situation. The clubhouse finally got serious, but not because of Ventura. And his decision making has never been what one would call state-of-the-art.

He very well may be turning it around. He has talent. Sometimes it takes time. We'll see. Even elite players like Todd Frazier didn't pull it together until 25 or 26.

This is clearly the year to take a big plunge into the international markets. This is where to spend the Laroche windfall. can't say I'm surprised they have no interest in doing that. Building an org. isn't part of the' contrived "2 year window".

At least Gonzales and Johnson showed something - good K numbers - may be something to work with. neither pitched the Sox out of the game (maybe it was lucky they didn't, but they didn't). Carroll has an ERA in excess of 12 and a WHIP in excess of 3 in Charlotte. Ridiculous.