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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) Everyone knows there is a hangover effect from playing at Coors. Combine that with the fact that most hitters perform better at home than on the road to begin with and it's absolutely ridiculous to simply spout off a guy's road OPS and say he's not a good hitter. Not surprising in the least it me GreenSox making this argument. Be precise. I said that his road OPS is about what Rios' OPS was, and simply suggested he has equal value (especially as his salary is about twice as high). It wasn't I who set the.752 OPS value at Leury Garcia. Sure most players hit better at home....but most players do NOT have the split differentials Cargo has. Comparisons with Holiday are ridiculous. Holliday had road OPS >.800 in each of his last 3 years in Colorado, including .892 his last year. Cargo's are in the .750 range. And he's older than Holliday was. And his D is poor. And he's paid nearly $20 million a year. Of course I'm getting attacked. I always get attacked when suggesting that trading for players at or past their prime, especially those with bad splits, won't help the team win...and it's doubled down when it involves a fave like Cargo or anyone on the Brewers.

Danish is getting his head handed to him. But he's only 21...maybe a return to Birmingham is in order.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) I guess not everyone takes a fun game like baseball as seriously as White Sox fans. While we're here, the time clock system is awesome and made the Home Run Derby enjoyable for the first time since Griffey and Thomas. It depends on one's definition of fun. I like watching baseball. Home run derby is just batting practice. Sure the time clock makes it exciting...it's like watching a sprint v. a jog.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Could be other factors we just don't know. We don't know. My numbers are probative, but prove nothing. But why take the chance for something as daft and ridiculous as home run derby? What's the priority? Fun and games, or winning a division? Frazier has just been getting his complete offensive game together. I will also point out that the rules changed last year to a time clock system, which requires significantly more energy.

2015 Before playing home run derby/ after playing home run derby Frazier=0.922/0.644 Rizzo=0.955/0.833 Pederson=0.851/0.617 Pujols=0.855/0.707 Donaldson=0.844/1.011 bryant=0.848/0.867 machado=0.886/0.832 Fielder=0.924/0.742

Here we go. Knew this was coming .750 OPS away from Coors field in 2016; .758 in 2015. That's Rios. Hahn set that value: Leury Garcia. (really should be less considering that Rios made 60% of Cargo's money) Paying anything more than the value of a .758 OPS earning $20 million a year is wishcasting. That's all it is. If we want a Rockie, get Blackmon

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 20, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) I have yet to see Joe Maddon asked about the White Sox, nor have I seen Jake Arrieta asked about Chris Sale. Even if this were going on, it would legitimize this a little bit more in my eyes. Early in the season, someone asked Maddon about the Sox hot start and he said something like "I can dig it." But that's about all I saw. Yes to some extent this Cubs infatuation is driven by the audience, but also the media drives the audience withs 30 years of Cubs hyperbole.

Maybe so.

Rush em on up.

Much deserved. Congrats to Sale. Q deserved a spot as well. Yost picks bullpen pitchers having fluke years instead. Oh well.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) Honestly, anyone listening to you would have a terrible team on the field and would trade away any and all players before they turn 25. Except Saladino Incorrect. I wouldn't trade for old guys until a young core is built. I never said my team would win right now. It wouldn't. How's Rick's team doing in that regard, when he's trying to win? QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) Rodons development is fine, he shows flashes of dominance and then falls back to some bad habits. I'm disappointed he hasn't taken the same step we saw in his first year where he straight up dominated down the stretch, but I'm sure that doesn't matter to you because that doesn't fit your narrative that he hasn't progressed at all. My point is that he's developing while service time is ticking. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) Cooper hasn't been getting the most out of his pitchers the past couple years, I won't argue that, but your assertion that he is pretty much worthless is tiring and incorrect. You say the same damn thing all the time, we get it. You don't like Cooper and Hahn. I was and am very complimentary of Hahn's work prior to the winter of 2014. He doubled the core in less than a year. For some reason, he started trading for rents, players at or past their peak, free agents, spending a million here, a million there on utility infielders and AAAA pitchers, before a core was built. And those trades weren't nearly as savvy as his early trades, respecting that some early trades didn't work out. At this point, I hope that Morneau works out and that Hahn successfully rushes Fulmer or Burdi into the pen. Because he's not going to sit still with this team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 12:05 PM) Instant gratification is rare in MLB. David Price is a guy Rodon has been compared to often. He struggled his first full year in TB, then took off. It's coming with Rodon, but it is weird that those who want total rebuilds have zero patience. it's the Sox who were impatient by rushing him up*. That's the annoyance. *(or maybe Boras made Hahn do it - whatever).

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) Most teams will take a pitcher like fulmer and start him if nothing else to huild his arm up to handle an MLB pen load. The upside could be that he ends up bring a starter. Fulmer was a top 10 pick. Starter should be the expectation, not the upside. Winning organizations do not use top 10 picks for bullpen expectations. Sox passed on best college hitter in the draft, so I certainly hope that 3 or above Starter was and is the expectation. Bullpen for #26 is dubious proposition itself, But for a top 10, it's ridiculous. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) There wasn't a need. There was an agreement to move him quickly as a part of his signing for what he signed for. Then pick someone else. As said above, it's unreasonable to expect him to be an ace right now. But the clock is still ticking. The value of 6 years of a top of the rotation guy, is now down to 3 or 4 because 2 or 3 years of service time are used for development. And, at least in 2015, he should have been used in Chicago like he would have been used in the minors...development, including getting that change-up fixed as the priority over getting the next guy out. But that's hard to do in the majors. And it wasn't done. And it's understandable. Major league coaches are there to help pitchers get the next batter out...not to develop for 2 years from now. And you wonder why I'm frustrated with this front office?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) They should trade for Alex Rios to play catcher. I can't wait for the Cargo rumors to heat up. Look forward to all of the drooling, oogling, genuflection and five player package suggestions for the player who can't outhit Rios outside of Coors field. I'll go ahead and suggest L Garcia right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) It is a bit weird that they'd protect Carroll over Hector Sanchez. Why would any other MLB team want Carroll desperately? Despite all the MLB pitchers we've gone through, we still haven't used Carroll or Turner. So now we're going to have to sacrifice Narvaez to the wolves. Not that he was a top prospect or anything. Reminds us, though, that stowing away the A+/AA Cuban catcher from the Nationals for an entire year had ZERO payoff at all. He's where he would be invaluable...or would have been, that experience. There was no need to protect Carroll, except that the org. likes him. Sox have 5 Carrolls in Charlotte. Turner has gotten shelled in Charlotte. Yes, they could have stashed any number of catchers..but they still shouldn't have any problem finding some guy who can at least catch.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) Their third catcher got injured the day of his debut. Which was 2.5 months ago.

Many do. But the #3 is usually not a highly valued property, unless you're fortunate enough to have a good AAA prospect, which most teams don't. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) SO NOW YOU HATE THE SCOTT CARROLLS OF THE WORLD? Also their third catcher got injured the day of his debut. Hate? I don't hate people because they don't need a spot on the 40. It's supposed to be a professional baseball organization, not a holiday camp for friends.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) So you are saying you would have passed on Rodon because of the contract demands? Interesting. If it demanded him playing before he's ready, sure. The idea of Rodon is 5/6 years of a top end guy. Well now it's down to 5, and falling.

Considering Avila's injury history, they should have had one of those AAAA guys or grizzled veterans who have played for 1/2 the league stashed away in Charlotte. maybe they do. They actually had that one guy, but released him to "clear room" on the 40. but the 40 contained such luminaries as Scott Carroll et al.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Not to mention that what he is learning at the major league level is great for his development. But hey, ax to grind. Gotta throw in the dumb deity comments How's that development coming, all while the control clock is ticking? And if Hahn was going to let Boras make personnel decisions, then pick someone else. Tell us, what has Cooper accomplished in the last several years? Honestly, listening to yall one would think that Hahn, Cooper and Williams have actually been winning.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Who is next man up even? The guy they just acquired from the Astros? Saladino is the third catcher; I wonder if he can really catch or if that's just pure emergency.

The affirmative decision to rush up Rodon and his stunted development as a #4 is another feather in Hahn's cap ( Cooper's as well). Cooper's continued status as whitesox deity another issue as well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 06:42 PM) If all that's true, why did no other organization think to convert him into a starter? Because he doesn't have all the pitches to be a starter. And while the Sox think that they could make him into a starter, I haven't seen much out of them that that's a high priority. Hahn seems intent on rushing him up. And frankly, he sort of has to to justify #26.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) No matter how you slice it, they aren't going to consider turning Burdi into a starter until next season. Therefore, if there is any chance he can help the big league club in the near future, there's no downside to calling him up other than potentially wasting an option year on him. Hopefully after a week or two, we'll see if he's worth that risk and my guess is he will be. An option year shouldn't be a problem. But you lose a control year or part of one. Plus he's had a long year already.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) With all the ridiculous things you post all the time, the most hilarious thing is your continual defense of Rios. It also completely goes against your entire philosophy, it's a complete mystery. Being on a team that won the World Series doesn't mean that player was any good. And the fact that De Aza (-1.1 WAR this year) is still playing isn't an actual argument for anything. While De Aza had a bad year his last year, he produced for the Sox the prior 2 years; and somehow he made it on a world series team. I omitted another Hahn giveaway - Thornton. Of course I would never trade for Rios. But he had a .749 OPS, after years of .850 and .756 and had the all-important credential of being "proven." Shall I list the names of players with similar stats that this board has pined for, oogled over? And when I have suggested offering L Garcia for said players, I get scoffed at, as if it's an insult to such high talent. Yes he had a bad contract...so do certain other parties.... Money over prospects. And, indeed, Caufield, I omitted several "million here, a million there" Hahn signings like Paulino et al. What could you do with that money...oh, maybe pay a few big international bonuses.....