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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 11:32 PM) Sox get a guy who went 13-2 with a 1.82 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 12 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in the best conference in college baseball. That's true, but there's also the question of marginal benefit and diminishing returns. The Sox have an Ace: Sale Rodon was drafted to be an ace - he likely will be if he develops a 3rd pitch (which the Sox don't seem overly interested in, but still) Fulmer was drafted to be an ace. (one would think with a top 10 pick; you certainly don't draft bullpen pitchers in the top 10) They also have as dependable a 3 as you can get in Q, which means he slides to 4. So, where do you get your most marginal benefit. From a 3rd ace, or from a hitter for an org devoid of hitters? Not to mention that they have Montas and Danish a year or 2 away and Adams 2-3 years away. They also used their 3rd and 5th picks of 2014 for pitchers. I think there's some diminishing returns at work. Unless the sox move a quality arm for some young hitters.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) The Atlantic Sun was #12 in the RPI. Oh - thought he was talking about Happ. They got 2 good hitters then.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) But... 1. That was still an idiotic move, and more importantly 2. Jackson had 1.5 years before FA at the time and that was on the last collective bargaining agreement so that even if he were only a "Type B" free agent he would have earned draft pick compensation whereas Samardzija will bring none. Samardzija has a good chance of bringing a comp pick and a more valuable one that Type B was. Sure it was an idiotic move...Sox make a lot of those. The trade to dump Jackson was poor as well. Basically did a favor to Toronto. But other teams make them as well...let them make one with us. i'm thinking they need to move another pitcher as well. They keep passing on college hitters to draft these pitchers, well you have to get your hitters from somewhere. And KW fav declining 30 year olds and utility talent isn't working.

What's the deal with Marin. Slow moving prospect and he goes to Mexico for 1/4 a season? Is Coats getting interesting?

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) Cubs get a guy who hit .422/.483/.749 (in NCAA Div 1, albeit a weak conference) with a pick that could have been the White Sox #3 RPI league isn't exactly weak. He played on the only weak team in that league. Hitters are a lot more scarce in this era.

That's why Avi is an excellent hitter, despite not being selective. He uses all fields. He doesn't try to pull everything.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:25 PM) Just to note - Samardzija is performing significantly worse than Edwin Jackson was when he was traded. The return in the Edwin Jackson deal was "someone absorbed Teahen's contract", Jason Frasor, and Zach Stewart. The Blue Jays then got the "Cardinals desperate to move him" Colby Rasmus. But he's performing significantly better than when the Sox traded FOR Jackson; the Sox gave up their 2 top pitching prospects for Jackson. Sox under Williams didn't exactly cut value-laden deals. I just want some hitters in here; don't care what position really except we don't need 1B.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:22 PM) When Himes drafted McDowell, Ventura, Thomas, and Fernandez, no one complaned they were rushed. That's because they turned into McDowell, Ventura, Thomas and Fernandez.

There's no reason to rush him up into a bullpen. That's such a waste of an asset. Using #8 pick in the draft to create a bullpen pitcher isn't a serious effort.

Cubs get best hitter in the draft who was sitting there for us.

Best hitter, please.

Career obp of .275. Lord no.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 6, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) Don't you need Melky to come around if you really want a shot at the division or a WC? Yes. Give him some rest now and then. But this idea that Shuck is an everyday player...happens ever time one of the bevy of utility players in this org. has a good week.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) He would also cost this team even more runs defensively. Samardzija was coming off 2 good years. Semien can hit. We could find a place for him. yea, shark had 2 good years...and we'd only have him for 1. No idea who come up with the trade, but trading for Shark is Kenny Williams' MO. (as were some of the other moves).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 11:24 PM) What? After his last start? Call up a journey man for the future ace-2 of this staff. No thanks. A lot of you are biting into this Guerra hype, just like a lot of you were biting on Wilkins' hype last year. I think they're completely different. For one thing, trust AAA pitching numbers much more than AAA hitting numbers. If Rodon's not developing his change, he's not going to be an ace. Thus, Charlotte.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) But name another team in which he'd be a starter? Are there any? He's actually way worse than DeAza. That's absurd. Eaton's 2014 was better than any full season of De Aza.

Junior Guerra to the bullpen? Send him put and let him start. Send Rodon down to learn the changeup.

Pitch him against just lefties and see what he does. Yes I know the small sample size says he's better against righties (although Ventura bringing him in against the right handed heart of the Astros' order on Sat probably blew that up).

Here comes the hero-worship. He's the greatest ever. The elite, the best of the best. Trade every decent prospect we have for one player. Go for it! And if we still suck, we'll still have a hero. Who cares about defensive holes on half the diamond, back end of the rotation, underachieving veterans, and utility-ceiling bench. One player will solve the problems. Or you can build an organization and get these players on their upward trajectory without giving away all the young players, as so many are want to do.

Adding more declining veterans (i.e. this list) will just create more problems. This team's defensive lapses have been a big contributor to the poor start; this is a groundball pitching staff. You cannot back these pitchers up with an infield clown show. Yet, people can't wait to do it. These are the kind of players that put the Sox into this mess. Pass The Sox need to add some of their own to the list

Philosophically: Bring in young talent. Develop young talent Stop bringing in hitters on their downward cycle. Stop wasting scarce resources on utility level talent. Practically: Market Laroche, Samardzija and Alexei for good young hitters, who can also play D, regardless of position. Anyone in the bullpen is movable. The most likely is Duke. Move Danks to the pen Send Rodon to Charlotte to work on the changeup Bring up Junior Guerra. Watch Drabek and maybe bring him up if he can get his walks down.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 30, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) Really think it is DFA time for him it is just not working out. Bad? He's the Designated hitter batting 2nd. you don't put a bad hitter in that spot...

In the annals of Ventura clownsmanship, bringing in a situational lefty to face the 2 RH Astros power hitters may just lead the pack.

1. Hitter 2. No Fulmer 3. No bullpen pitchers

Peavy was also considered an injury risk and was 2 years older and was clearly on the decline plane of his career. When Samardzija had 1.5 years left on his contract, his price was much more than Peavy with 1.5 years left on his contract. Plus, Samardzija comes with a comp pick. Peavy didn't Thus an estimate that Samardzija with 1/2 years = Peavy with 1.5 years. If anything, more.