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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ May 4, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) And he should have been moved a couple years ago. I just don't understand Hahn's direction here. It's like he invested a ton of money to go from really bad to just mediocre with limited upside. I'm generally pretty optimistic, but I just can't stand to watch a team that can't play defense. It's highly questionable that this is Hahn's direction. Williams rarely had a stout defensive team and when they did they peeled them away. Ramirez certainly should have been traded this offseason but the Sox don't sell high or reasonably high unless it's fruitless to do otherwise. Micah should get some outfield work and Sanchez should be up and Rodon down.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) That's a good way of putting it. A lot of guys on here are coming out of the woodwork, making assumptions and losing their cool just looking for scapegoats to protect their golden boy. KW's fingerprints were all over the offseason moves. They look like Williams' philosophy, executed by Hahn, to me. ( how many times, how many times, has Williams loaded the Wagon for his "Ace" starter? ). The only really productive trade Williams made as GM since 2008 was for Youkalis. The only really top defensive team we've had was 2005; and then we gutted the defense. I don't know what Hahn can or can't do because I don't think we've seen it, other than the execution of the trades, which has been fine.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) That is pretty much what he said about Sale. Delivery's worse than Sale; 1/2 foot shorter than Sale; much harder used than Sale; Sale wasn't picked in the 8th pick. And perhaps Sale and LIncecum are the exception And - a ML ready starter (and certainly not a bullpen pitcher) shouldn't be the priority anyway.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Thankfully they only traded one player (Semien) that I think could be an average starting player in the majors. They also traded him from the only position of depth within in the system. Hahn did a very good job this past offseason of not trading away potential core players. Perhaps true, but the point is that forcing "going for it" in 2015 was silly coming off of a 73 win season. It also caused the Sox to do other things like putting together a poor bench...AGAIN so as not to risk young players, etc.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 4, 2015 -> 10:01 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...oming-decision/ I basically agree with the article. It was way premature to trade for rents.

No Fulmer

The bench should have been Bonifacio or beckham....not both. And shuck is no different than junior danks. No help at all in the bench. Get Sanchez up here and let Micah play some OF or send him down. And they cut Carroll at the end of last year and suddenly he's the first guy they call up.

The bench should have been Bonifacio or beckham....not both. And shuck is no different than junior danks. No help at all in the bench. Get Sanchez up here and let Micah play some OF or send him down.

Shuck is not a major league hitter. But he can pinch run and that's what's important on a White Sox bench.

Robin would wait til it's 7-6 before making a move

Where has Robinson Leyer been?

I realize the Sox as an organization have an enduring love for veteran utility players, to let Bonifacio block Sanchez would be beyond belief. Should Gillespie and Micah be doing some occasional outfield work anyway?

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ May 2, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Sorry, I seem to like Rick Hahn's moves when they are initially completed, but he bares a helluva lot of responsibility for this mess. Shark is terrible, Gillaspie is terrible, Flowers is terrible, Danks & Noesi suck, the bench stinks, Rodon is being handled horribly, and this might be the worst coaching staff in baseball. KW's fingerprints were all over most of the moves, especially the rent of shark.

Look at those hitters in the 9th. That is not a major league lineup (but let's trade young players for more rents, kW). Sox haven't had a real hitter on the bench in a decade. Pinch runners, utility players....everything but a decent bat. Oh and call up Sanchez

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 30, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) I actually think Hahn should start over while a completely new, non-Sox related major league staff. Because it's going to be a lot easier to change the coaches than the players. If they are so worried about Sale and Rodon going down to elbow surgery they tell Tyler not to call for sliders in key situations...this team wont ever go anywhere. At best, both would be like Francisco Liriano post-surgery with that type of philosophy. I agree that there is way too much insiderism in this organization. But what you suggest would also require getting rid of Williams because he's the one who has loaded the boat with insiders. Is that really true? They aren't calling or sliders from those 2? They are worried about a Rodon injury? And what is Sale w/o a slider?

Still trying to figure out why our bullpen, the only bright spot on this team, isn't used BEFORE we're out of a game. I guess it's been overworked with all of the off days. I guess it's Robin, but I don't really know who's running this team. Cooper is a Williams mole, Williams' fingerprints were all over the offseason.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Apr 28, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) The guy I would like is Carson Fulmer, and it will definitely be close if he makes it to the Sox's pick. None of the hitters really wow me at all - as far as college hitters. And I have ZERO faith in the Sox taking a high school bat and developing him into an MLB bat, so to me it becomes take the BPA between a college arm and a high school arm. And I think it Fulmer is the BPA. He is having a terrific year in the SEC and has electric stuff. Many worry about his size and durability, but I have still yet to see any study (maybe there is one, I honestly have no idea) that finds any correlation or causation between a pitcher's size and his ability to stay healthy. There just seems to be an assumption that if you are not 6'3" and 220, you are destined for the bullpen because you aren't built like the prototypical pitcher. The problem is his delivery. He makes Sale look smooth. Are there no quality college bats available at this pick that wouldn't be a reach?

I don't hold Ventura responsible because player X or player Y has a bad game. I hold him responsible for managerial decisions and overall leadership. As for Shark, yet another in the long, largely ugly, list of Kenny Williams' veteran "ace starters" he has to go out and trade young players to get (or order Hahn to do it), coupled with a little dab of "we'll show those cubbies".

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) am i wrong in thinking, that Mitchell should be in that group??? Mitchell already fell through the floor.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20150427 Just Charlotte and Birmingham tonight. Beck and Jaye. Myles Jaye looking good. He needs a big year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) I would bet anything Hahn wouldn't do that. He would be insane to do that. Salary works both ways. Yes, you should ignore salary and cut the player if the player simply can't play. But you don't give the player away for nothing if he's producing just because he's overpaid. The Sox aren't exactly teeming in starters. Okay, we may have 6 now that we brought (rushed?) Rodon up. 6 isn't much cusion. And if Danks repeats Sunday's performance a few times, they might be able to trade him for something if they're out of it in July.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Apr 27, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) Would you take a chance with him? I know for one I wanted him a couple off seasons ago. No Enough with terrible veterans.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 25, 2015 -> 08:19 PM) Too early, I know, but not too early to know there are some holes that need a fillin'. What say you? I say you can't force things. Paying out the wazzu for one hero, much less loading up with 35 year old "proven" veterans, won't make the difference. Some of the moves over the winter were premature. The foundation isn't complete. As for Lucroy, his offense is excellent...for a catcher. But you pay a ridiculous premium for that offense from a catcher. Much better to accept catcher as an offensive hole, and use the resources to improve other areas that can be improved more efficiently.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 24, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) It makes sense but I hate it. Especially that early. Let Melky hit. Runners are speedy. I can't see much sense in ordering automatic outs in front of Abreu, especially when the 2 hole hitter is the 2nd to best hitter. Ventura is managing scared.

Robin Ventura has lost his mind. How in the world do you bunt there. You give an automatic out to your 2nd to best hitter so Abreu can single them in? Madness