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If he's hitting .200 with 30% Ks, he won't be successful.
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Needed a bit more offense tonight.
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I agree about Vasil. But who's better? There are some that could be, but not yet. And then there is growing pile of 20s decade high round pitchers who, if they make it, will be in the pen.
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In college, he struck out guys on balls out of the zone and he didn’t go past six innings. His delivery wasn’t smooth. hopefully Schultz is a good major leaguer, but he hasn’t had a great year either. The best pitchers on the 26-man are the 2 rule-5 guys and they may be the 2 best in the entire organization.
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Ramos has had 119 major league plate appearances and turned 23 this year. Seems a bit premature to dump him. Also, he's only been up for 2 seasons; shouldn't he have an option?
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Nice work. Next up, end the Guardian's hopes of playoffs.
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Not near enough for someone with his talent. It's worth the risk to get him right. Although just the fact that the Sox brass took him out of the rotation gives me pause. Other than Crochet (who was really a Hahn guy draft for the pen), the pitching draftees have stumbled.
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9/9/2025 - Rays @ Sox - Houser contre Gomez, 6:40 pm
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
He was traded/sold. The Rays wanted Gray, not Rojas. -
9/9/2025 - Rays @ Sox - Houser contre Gomez, 6:40 pm
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
Houser's counterpart Mead may have 0/4, but at least he didn't strike out....that's a plus, I guess. -
9/9/2025 - Rays @ Sox - Houser contre Gomez, 6:40 pm
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
Anti-Century Magic Number is 8. Sox should make good progress in this series. Tampa should be good and demoralized after last weekend's debacle. -
I would think the Sox could improve on movement and base-stealing (but for Robert, the Sox would be last in the league). They don't seem that unathletic to me (other than a couple of vets). Brewers lead the league in steals and caught stealing. Their c .75% success percentage is bottom 1/3; but I guess they've done the math and figured it still yields a positive expected outome. Sox are just a tad under 80% (Robert's a tad > 80% so it's not him pulling everyone up). Venable's right-hand man is a long-time Brewer, so it's surprising that the Sox haven't run more. Now maybe it will come when the Sox get more youthful in the other OF spots.
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And I agree that Detroit was built through the draft. But I question the tanking part. Only Mize, Greene, and Torkelson, among their first round picks, have done much of anything and only Greene is a difference maker. Yes, it's better to draft 1st than 2nd; 2nd than 3rd and so forth. I just think there's a lot of uncertainty in MLB draft and prospects; much more than NBA and NFL. Need lines in the water; spins of the wheel; thus I don't like punting in drafts; like a little quantity in prospect trades, even at the expense of, say, a top 20 prospect.
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Thanks for the post: well-researched, reasoned and full of information I certainly like the changed org approach toward taking the walks. But I wonder if it's for everyone. Robert has a near 10% walk rate this year (way high for him) but has had a poor year overall. (His absence the last few weeks may be a reason the team walk rate is down,) Sosa is an ever improving hitter, but his walk rate is way low. He certainly needs to improve his OBP to be a complete hitter, and that will require more walks; but you don't want to completely mute his aggression. He also has a very reasonable K rate, and more looking-Ks is often a result of looking for more walks. I also like the idea of a couple of hitters in the lineup being "Against the grain" -- not OBP guys.
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I don't see how tanking helped the Tigers much. Riley Greene is good, but even he's not elite. Their elite pitcher was drafted in the 9th round. Tanking gives one top pick a year. And even then, most years don't have a slam-dunk/annual all-star prospect. Even if you draft 30th it's like you lost your 1st round pick, but you draft first in rounds 2-20. The Sox didn't start losing intentionally. The players turned sour and they didn't have a group of young players to replace them. Unless you are a big spender, you need youth. While the Crochet trade could be considered tanking, it's a trade frankly I hope the Sox have the guts to make if they are good and the farm isn't...because they won't be good for long if they don't have a constant inflow of youth.
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9/7/2025 - Sox @ Tigers - 12:40 - Martin v. Morton
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
I'll take Williams out of those 2. Helsley has just been miserable this year. Doesn't mean he will be next year, but when you're this bad, I think trade offers are likely to be tepid next July. -
19th round pick from 2023...what's the rush? I take it that Connor is not high on the list and they just moved him to AAA because they needed more room at A+/AA?
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9/7/2025 - Sox @ Tigers - 12:40 - Martin v. Morton
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
Vasil should be a starter. Wish Taylor were took, but doesn't look like it. I still think Martin/Cannon/Burke could make good relievers. Stockpile the pitching Getz. Buying relievers at the deadline is bad business. -
Skubal should be out of the division for 2027, right on time for the Sox to take over. Sox should be interesting in 2026, but should get really noisy in 2027.
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Obviously a positive trade for the Sox. It was a fair deal when made; and so far it looks even better. It was a better balance of perceived quality/quantity than, say, the Sale trade. Sale had the high ranked prospects, but the other 2 pieces were weak. This time, the prospects weren't ranked as high (but were ascending) and the 2 secondary players were both interesting.
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Thanks for putting this together. Just bolded some players we could move along from on the 40 man; and some unprotected players that I would consider protecting. I wouldn't want to push all of those bolded guys off, but I would if the alternative was risk of loss of young pitchers. I would definitely protect Peoples. And I wouldn't want to lose Zavala (I realize the chances of him being picked in Rule 5 are small). Dalquist and Kelley probably should be protected as well.
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Without looking it up, I was thinking that it might be Davidson, the catcher we took back from Seattle in the Garcia trade. But I'm not sure as I just don't remember a backup catcher at all that season. And speaking of Davidson, I saw him at some point this season; he's on the broadcast crew of some team.
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Well they weren't going to get a starting 3B from a contender. But the offseason is a different story. Now I wouldn't make that trade. They both are poor defenders, but I prefer Sosa's steady improvement on offense year after year. Vientos had a nice 2024, but this year it's Sosa 1.3 fWar and .5 fWar for Vientos.
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Trade him for Vientos, if true that the Mets like him. Isn't Vargas our 1B? Cannon has really spit the bit this season. Maybe put him the pen (probably Burke and Martin belong there too).
