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Julks with #13; Elko with 24. Lots to learn in Charlotte
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8/17/2025 - Sox @ Royals - 1:10 pm - Davis v. Bergert
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in 2025 Season in Review
It’s not Venable. The team seriously lacks talent and Getz has put a muzzle on bringing in fresh talent for the rebuild. -
He's doing it at the expense of the long-term. He's got Taylor and Rojas on this team for no reason at all. Pushing players out to make room for Martin Perez? What the heck?? Trade Robert? When? The best Robert has played in the last 2 seasons were the 4 weeks leading up to the trade deadline. Getz' demand of a starting position player from a contender was patently ridiculous; Okay, they wanted to do Tauchman a solid - fine - but his value will never be as high as it was in July. Getz refused to trade Civale. He trades Houser for a declining prospect who has no real upside. Up until the deadline, Getz was a flawed GM, but it looked like he had a plan and was trying. But now, it looks like his goal is to bring a 70 win team to Chicago. A dog and pony show
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Anthropolis (a good, rare GM who wasn't trying to put one over on Getz) told Getz that he was going to waive/DFA most of those guys. Getz did it for Soroka; it was worth a shot - he just took a little longer than expected. Getz also got a prospect out of that deal. Sharp contrast to his recent efforts.. But Boozer is pitching well, and he's controllable, so why is he being sent down? He needs to be moved in the offseason and this doesn't help.
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Sox trade Andrew Vaughn to acquire Aaron Civale
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
And they looked atrocious in the first few games of the season. And later, I watched them completely melt down in the 9th and blow a big lead against Arizona. And now this. Things can turn. -
Since July, Getz seems to be far more concerned with maxing that 2026 win total than developing a team that might be able to win in a couple of years. The light went on and he realized that he could bring back his entire .407 OF for next season. One less thing to worry about. Hurrah! The non-effort at the deadline and clinginess to these veterans is stunning and is stunting. It's a shame because the young pitching is coming together.
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Midpack seems about right. Drafting seems about average: some good picks, but several prominent busts. And a lot of reaching. Took a pass on the July trading period.
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Plenty of pitchers to audition. Perez should have been released when he came off the injured list. Also have OFs to audition, but Getz doesn't care. Taylor remains. Rojas can't hit, can't field, can't run (or he lollygags on the bases or both).
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That was then. His job was to eat innings as efficiently as possible so as to be traded for as much as possible. This is now. Plenty of pitchers and the deadline has passed. He is crowding out players that the Sox need to look at.
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Martin Perez is back. Brilliance. Take another bow, Getz.
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Sox and six other teams w/o Top 100 player
GreenSox replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Unless the Sox can copy the Brewers’ model. -
As Ringo sang, It don't come easy.
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Yoendrys Gomez Up, Vargas Back, Julks DFAed, Elvis down
GreenSox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
The DFA he should force is himself. Or Rojas. That would be okay. -
I've been expecting him to get the call; but they're pretty deliberate with the pitchers still in the "prospect" category. And guys Kelley and Dalquist, while starting pitcher busts, are pitching pretty well in Birmingham's pen. These guys would bring some real talent to the pen (and hopefully sent Taylor back to the rotation). Hope to see at least Palette up; I believe that all will have to be on the 40 man in December anyway so just as soon take a look.
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Tigers vs White Sox at Rate Field 8-11-25.
GreenSox replied to The Mighty Mite's topic in 2025 Season in Review
This must be the 40th game like this in the last 2 seasons. Tauchman/Robert/Benintendi went 0/11 with 1 BB. Getz just cannot bring these guys back for another round. This is silly stuff. -
Adrian Houser traded to TB for former top prospect Curtis Mead
GreenSox replied to Bob Sacamano's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Still, they sent Mead down and then traded for Gray. And it's not like Mead was some young prospect they were nursing along - he had over 300 major league at bats. Beyond that, what does a productive fully-developed Mead provide? Getz' deals are consistently on the other teams' terms. They never have to squirm. And that's the problem. I think he's cognizant of it after the public fallout from the 2024 deadline. But he hasn't learned how to do anything about it, other than not make deals. -
Adrian Houser traded to TB for former top prospect Curtis Mead
GreenSox replied to Bob Sacamano's topic in Pale Hose Talk
The Rays preferred Gray to Mead. The Sox sent them Gray for "cash considerations". But the Sox had to send one of the few trade assets* they had for Mead. Why wasn't he available for "Cash considerations" given that the Rays clearly preferred Gray to Mead? Meanwhile, the Rays send real prospects to the Dodgers for a AAAA catcher. Once again, the Sox get the worst of it. *Houser didn't have a lot of value; but he had a morsel. -
Fangraphs says otherwise. As does Baseball Reference. As does Law.
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I will add Meidroth. He was a secondary prospect and, if nothing else, can play major league SS. Quero and Teel are okay, but they were touted prospects; same with Taylor and they have him in the pen. And when oh when will a Getz Waiver Wire position player special (whether claimed or traded for) amount to anything? There sure have been a lot of them.
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So disheartening. The real progress of this season boils down to Rule 5: Shane Smith and Vasil (indirectly). I guess Colson too, especially considering that it looked like he could be a bust. Not a lot.
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Getz traded for Julks (a prospect; not "Cash considerations") so I'm glad to see him play. He also traded for DeLoach, Fletcher, Baker...waiver wire types that he traded for. Now we have Gonzalez in AAA...he's a little younger, but he looks just like the rest of them: modest power, not very athletic. And he's bringing back the same veteran outfield for next year. And Rojas continues to take ABs, even though he's clowned it up all season. Get serious please, Mr. Getz.
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That would be fine. He’s not a long-term piece. And asking for starters on contenders’ certainly wasn’t a serious effort in July. Maybe it’ll be more successful in December. just stop trading for AAAA players. That is not a market inefficiency- those players are not undervalued. If it was, Charlotte would be the most efficient team in the world..
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What was essentially a complete non-effort at the deadline was the tell. You can't be so woefully unprepared at the deadline, like Getz was, if you are seriously rebuilding. It's really the same kind of player that's been around here for a decade. Not very athletic. Not a lot of power. No speed (they'd be last in steals, but for Robert). They don't seem to have a driving philosophy or anything. Just load up with AAAA level players and hope for the best.
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How's his OF play? That's really where there is room for him, the current mediocre veteran placeholders notwithstanding.
