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Maybe that's his role. At this point, I'll take it (although too soon to give up on starting).

Another opportunity to show that there's a new sheriff in town. And we sure owe these guys some beatings (2021 playoffs come to mind).

I view him sort of like I viewed Gonzalez 2 months ago. I don't want to trade him because we don't know what we have. We might have hit another goldmine. the Gonzalez trade may or may not have been wise, but we had a good sense of what we were trading away when the trade was made. Carlson's a no trade for me. I can't pass on elite skills. Hagen Smith sort of is because his value is so low, we'd be taking the worst of it; and we have so few viable pitching prospects as it is, there is still time to work with him and fix. He's only been in the org for 2 years.

One stop shopping with the Mets: Clay Holmes Luis Torrens (Great D, can't hit. Sox would be stuck with him for another 2 years) Huascar Brazoban Thorpe (one injured pitcher deserves another) 2 prospects in the 10-15 org range 1 unranked prospect We get 3 scurvy veterans for some 2nd/3rd tier prospects (although Thorpe was supposed to be first tier).

While I would trade neither Bonemer nor Carlson this July (except perhaps for Miller, if projected as a starter going forward), I would trade Bonemer first. I would not trade Carlson. I've shifted on this. Bonemer would bring more in return. He is higher ranked, closer to the majors. He should bring a ton. We already have Bergolla (who could be traded too) and Roch close to the majors. C Carlson is an elite defender. The best of the best. It would be great to have that and we need it. I think Carlson has a higher ceiling, if they can fix his swing hitch.

. Closer is not a weak point. Diminishing marginal returns . Closers play in c. half the games 1 inning per night. How did the Mason Miller trade work out of the Padres. He has been great and they still want to trade him because his greatness hasn't translated into wins. Now if we can start him, that's different. No reason to trade Bonemer or Carlson. There are no ace starters on the market. And even those like Detmers don't have that much control - 2 more years. You can't trade those guys for a Detmers. Get the 36 year old rental from the Mets. Find the long term starting pitcher in the offseason when the prices are reasonable.

A year ago, we thought we were set at catcher. Sox had 2 good young catchers. Now one has had a significant deterioration in performance and the other has been hurt (and also has a downturn in performance). Could happen anywhere. Just hope these 2 guys get it together on defense.

What a bullpen!

Well in 2016, Hahn thought we had a window, and made trades. There was no window, but his trades caused us to rebuild. 20/21 didn't last because the team had no depth and the farm was terrible once the team got good. I remember reading "The farm system is #29, but for good reason." Well the good teams don't lost their farms when the teams get good. Anderson and Eloy get sour (and the clowns in the FO don't bring back their best pitcher) and there's no depth to help. We FINALLY have a good MLB team AND Farm. Nurture it, grow it, get it better; don't squander it. The AL will be better next year. But so will the Sox.

Looks like Sandlin did pretty well, but for the walks. Just watched the Brewers beat the Mets solely because Turang and Ortiz' infield defense. Can't wait for Carlson

They wouldn't, but several contenders have a need for a RH bat. It would be nice to get him some major league swings and show it. Of course, WE have a need for a RH bat too.

If they are confident that they can turn Miller into a starter, that could be a bargain (especially if they pay proportionally less for Miller than San Diego). But as a reliever only, no way. Hahn/Haber-era nonsense. Major misallocation of resources.

The one I don't understand is Weingartner. He's ranked 159, which would warrant around $441,000. Yet the Sox paid him $1,397,500, which is what the 64-65th player should get. I can understand the Sox disagreeing with others' rankings, but by 90 spots?

That's because we ;make the trades yall want and we almost immediately get bad again. None help, and several has set us back years. They're just a losing proposition...not just for the Sox, for most teams. And now I'm hearing Mason Miller. How has that worked out for San Diego? The price for career year Detmers is higher than Crochet was. Urena. There's my suggestion.

I judge these by the "process" I guess is the term. Crochet was a budding ace: not quite there, but only because he didn't have a full season. In return, we got 2 top 50-60ish prospects and 2 other interesting players. Fair deal and it worked out great. Overall I'd say that Getz & Co.'s talent evaluation has been solid; I'm less confident in the negotiation aspects of the trades.

It seems like we went a decade without having guys like this and Boston even poke their heads up in A ball (much less finish the job and make it to the majors like Antonacci).

MLB says he's on a rehab assignment. His fellow overslot Jared Kelley has been transferred to the "Development List" which I guess means to Arizona. Kath is only 23; and Kelley 24. Maybe they are late bloomers; I'm glad the Sox are making the effort to find out. I should give these guys more grace.

He might be able to hit in the bigs soon; not sure about his catching, but I would doubt he's anywhere ready, if really a pro catcher at all.

Just play the 2 catchers who carried us for 75% of this season. Sure beats a "let's rebuild in 2027" trade.

Get young = get good. Sox win! Again.

I assume that’s a main reason for the interest in Holmes. Any mention of “top prospect” should result in an immediate dial tone.

Lots of Sox expats including Jake Burger, Tyler Alexander, Ben Peoples, and, the pride of Pedro Grifol, .300 hitter Nicky Lopez, who actually is hitting over .300.

Gavin Fien, drafted 2 spots after Carlson, was the main piece for Mackenzie Gore, a similar pitcher (Gore probably had somewhat better performance overall). They did throw in several other guys. Seemed like an overpay by Texas. Then I look at the Crochet trade. Crochet was an ace and he essentially netted us 2 Carlsons plus 2 other pieces. I would just think that Carlson should be the max for Detmers, who's really been a lackluster pitcher until this season. Also, I would try to win this division with a 6 man rotation; keep them fresh and Martin seems to do better with extra rest.

Nor the evaluator/scout. How did he survive the Hahn purge?

I think the Angels have better players, especially pitchers, than than their record. Forget career year Detmers and Soriano; everyone wants them, they will be overpriced, and buying career years is a way to the poorhouse. look at Uretha, Peterson, et al. Yes, they could cost a bundle, but you never know....Mozeliak didn't draft them and he might take a discount. Probably better winter trades, but if Mozeliak is cleaning house, maybe it could work.