At this point, I think we can all agree that this team should be buyers to at least some extent at the deadline. So with that in mind, I thought it would be nice to have a central place to share trade ideas, rumors, proposals, etc

Ready, go.

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Yeah eat that contract and trade very little

Freddy Peralta would be interesting. Not sure what it would take to get him but he's only got $4m left on his contract.

Jose Soriano if they wanted to make a longer term play but I doubt they want to do that.

33 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Dylan Cease just signed for c. $25 mill so at $35 mill per year (plus liable for $5 mill on 2027 buyout), Gray is a lot overpaid.
He is still effective, but at 35 with a 4 seam that barely reaches 92, this really should be a salary dump situation.
But in the realm of buying pitchers in July, which I greatly dislike in general, better the cheap ones like this.

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’ll go with Sonny Gray. He’s an old, somewhat expensive veteran SP who has seen a big drop in his K rate this year. Despite that, he’s still on pace for a ~3 win season and it doesn’t seem like his pure stuff has deteriorated all that much when looking at velocity & spin rates. The K rate is the lowest it’s been in years, but it’s always been very volatile and he’s be able to succeed when it’s down. From what I can tell, his sweeper & curveball are getting harder this year but without a material change in movement…I expect that to change with time.

Hard to predict what his cost will be at this point. With a ~3 win projection and potentially $10M in cost for his final 1/3 of the season, you aren’t looking at any real surplus value. Obviously this a trade deadline deal, so you’re going to pay a premium just for the pure production regardless. However, if the Red Sox force teams to take on that money, it will keep the cost more reasonable. The other factor that could inflate prices is it potentially being a big sellers’ market.

I’m not giving up any of the young guys off the major league roster or any of my top five prospects for a rental the caliber of Gray. I think a package built around Gabe Davis and an infield prospect (Lodise, Shelton, or Mogollon) is what I’d try to offer. Pitching has been our weakness at the major league level, so tough to give up Davis who isn’t too far out. That being said, with Adams and eventually Thorpe & Bush coming back alongside guys like McDougal, Smith, & Sandlin, I think we can afford to give up Davis to help augment the major league team.

Gray is an interesting idea. If they want a veteran who can eat innings, he definitely fits that category. And he’s still productive. I can’t imagine the Sox would pick up that $30 million option next year, but perhaps they could agree on a different contract after the season. Like you said, he shouldn’t cost all that much prospect wise.

17 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Gray is an interesting idea. If they want a veteran who can eat innings, he definitely fits that category. And he’s still productive. I can’t imagine the Sox would pick up that $30 million option next year, but perhaps they could agree on a different contract after the season. Like you said, he shouldn’t cost all that much prospect wise.

I believe Gray’s option is mutual and the $10M cost I mentioned includes taking on a $5M buyout. But given our payroll situation, I feel like we should be able to absorb some money to lessen the prospect cost in a trade.