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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) And most importantly he adds much needed OBP to the top of the lineup. .314 last year in essentially 1/2 a season of at bats. I do like that the Sox are targeting CF, which I think is the biggest needs.

QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:59 AM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 35s Ken Williams said on Hot Stove that #WhiteSox had "exciting" move brewing. Getting Eaton from #DBacks, as @keithlaw reported, would be that. Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m Per @keithlaw, Eaton would go to #WhiteSox as part of three-team deal with Trumbo going to #DBacks, Skaggs-plus to #Angels. In that deal, the Angels should send the Sox a solid prospect.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) Can someone enlighten me? What is so great about Adam Eaton? Yea, that's kind of what I've been wondering. I'd think we'd need a solid prospect in that deal as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) Can't imagine that Adam Eaton would get White Sox fans excited. It's a nice move, but not a super exciting move. Honestly, I thought KW made that comment in jest, just part of the back and forth with Rosenthal. There was emphasis on "and you don't know anything about it."

Adam Eaton, anyone? @keithlaw: Hearing Skaggs-Trumbo discussion now includes White Sox possibly getting Adam Eaton, sending Hector Santiago to Angels"

It was good natured banter. Pretty funny. Not a lot of substance in that interview, however.

Hahn works triage and brings legit deals to the Hahn, JR, Bell, KW quartet for evaluation...as I understand it.

Kenny on hot stove now.

D Brown isn't the type of player I'd want on the Sox now, but a Santiago swap would seem even.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Here's a Sale trade I might think about: Sox trade: Sale Quintana Reed Phils trade: Hamels Papelboner DBacks trade: EVERYONE GOOD Sox get: Hamels Papelbon's s***ty contract EVERYONE GOOD from AZ Phils get: Quintana Reed Tons of $$$$$ savings AZ gets: Sale Sox swap Sale for Hamels, Reed for 'Boner, and use Q + $$$ savings to buy a new farm How about Sale for everyone good from Az. No need for Quintana and Reed for those 2 big contracts.

QUOTE (wardo @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:49 AM) Don't think the return for Sale would net as much as we'd like to think. Realistically I think Sale could net something like this Cubs acquire: Chris Sale White Sox acquire: Jeff Samardzija, Jorge Soler, low level pitching prospect One above average pitcher signed for 2 years and one top prospect isn't close to his value. They'd have to throw in another Soler; in fact, keep the Smardzija, and add a third top prospect and another solid prospect. Of course, I don't disagree that it will be hard to find teams who will pay his value: 6 cheap years of an ace. It's easier for Tampa to trade Price, because Price's value is only 2 cheap years of an ace.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:47 PM) If your goal is to improve the minors yes. No team has more than one or two high ceiling guys who are proving their worth in the high minors. That's why trading Sale is so difficult. Hahn doesn't seem to want A ballers and rookie league players when he trades a big gun like Sale. Also again you say average without any valuation to their defense which is way above average . I know it's a hard concept to grasp but the Sox suck real bad. All defense, no offense players aren't that hard to find. You certainly don't need to use Sale to find them. I want the Sox to get better defensive players too...but not for him. I want to dump Ramirez et al for younger players, even if they can't hit. You only want those type of players up the middle anyway...never at a corner position.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:15 PM) This smacks of the Jackson/Teahen deal. Don't devalue an important pitching asset just to get a smaller contract off the payroll. That move turned out to be a disaster considering the value Jackson SHOULD have had on the market. Don't do something asinine just to save a bit of money on Keppinger or Dunn. The Danks case is a different story...but in no way shape or form do you mess with Sale's potential return by forcing a fit (with two starting pitchers being in the deal) when you have the luxury of waiting for Danks to bounce back a bit more this season. Exactly.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) Since we're talking crazy trades.... I don't even want a lot prospects if Sale goes to AZ you start with Corbin ,Gregorius, Parra, Polllock .They can keep Owings. We can give up Alexei and DeAza Then AZ can throw in Matt Davidson and Justin Williams. So basically... Sale for Corbin . Sale LH ace controlled til 2019 at very reasonable price. Corbin LH same age as Sale already very good but not the great contract Sale has. Alexei for Gregorius. Alexei 32 $10M a yr for next 2 years . Gregorius turning 24 in Feb. LH hitter very good fielder limited hitting skills. De Aza turning 30 in April LH decent power bad fielder bad baserunner for Parra turns 27 in May very good fielder not much power but LH. AJ Pollock OF Matt Davidson and Justin Williams for the great contract Sale has. Pretty lopsided in the Sox favor basically getting their best starting ptcher starting SS and 2 good fielding starting OF's a 3B prospect in Davidson and a low minors OF prospect who has very high upside in Williams . Az would never do it . Maybe Bradley instead of Corbin makes it a little more even but still heavily in our favor. If you're trading Sale, you do it for high ceiling players. There's a lot of average stuff in that proposal.

Sale is worth at least twice as much in prospects as Price. I just can't imagine a team willing to pay that price. And one reason is that the only reason a team would give up top prospects for an ace is because they are in a win now mode. Well they don't need the full 6 of Sale's cheap years....they just need 2 or 3. But we want to be paid for all 6.

This board sure loves trading young players for rents.

The problem with signing Choo is that we would still need a center fielder. As for Headlry, you need to stockpile young talen. Sign the Headleys, not trade for them. And really, he's had one really good year. Otherwise, he averages 16 homers and .350 obp...nice, but not super duper.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) The problem with this line of thinking is that IMO the free agent market right now is where players are overpriced while it seems like the trade market is where value is. So, you're paying a premium price while signing the guy on the FA market and yet when you try to trade your guys, you don't get an over-valued return on them. Right - the market is reflection of teams not wanting to give up their young prospects in a trade. They're willing to pay more for FA. So I'd say that if there is a bubble in this market, it is those teams willing to trade prospects...they should be able to get the player for a lower quality of prospect.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 07:10 AM) With about 6 outfielders in the mix for 2014, the Yankees are looking to deal Brett Gardner in exchange for starting pitching. IMO this would be a great opportunity to improve CF both defensively and offensively. One area of strength the Sox do possess is starting pitching. My question for you is what type of package would you put together for New York? http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=10096712 Isn't he a 1 year rent? How about no package for him. We need those cost-controlled guys, or sign a cheap FA to play CF. I wouldn't call our starting pitching a strength anyway. It's a strength just if you compare it to the rest of the team. If we trade any of it, for young talent, please.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 10:08 PM) This where we disagree. Any trade for Sale would bring back major league ready talent. Take AZ for instance, guys like Davidson 3b, Gregorius SS, Parra etc. I'm not talking about A ball or AA ball players. At least a few of the players in return would be major league ready or already have gotten their feet wet which was stated earlier in this thread. Guys that can fill holes now as well as help in a year or so. This would speed up the rebuild, not slow it down. As for Q, he doesn't hold nearly the value of Sale at this point and well we still need starting pitching after a Sale trade so keeping Q is the smart move. Again its about Sale's crazy value and how the return can help now and later, not years down the road. What level of major league talent? There have got to be at least 2 players, if not 3, with Sale potential (i.e. all star potential) to make it worthwhile. We need at least 2 in the bush to give up the bird in the hand. Usable players in return for a player of Sale's caliber will retard our growth; we can sign cheap free agents to get those kind of players anyway.

Quintana would bring a lot more in return and we'd be selling high on him.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:08 PM) I've been a huge proponent of rebuilding and I think its a bad idea to trade Sale. Not yet at least. There's no reason this franchise can't be a serious contender in 2015 if the right moves are made. If for whatever reason we aren't legit contenders by 2015, then yes, you have to start to explore a trade. Really don't even want to think about that though. I tend to agree. I think it will take some really clever moves plus some fortune in the player development department. But you aren't winning anything without an ace pitcher. And we have that at least.

Webb have starter potential?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:22 PM) Not too worried about it. Closers are easy to make. Cash in on the value if you can. I'm not saying definitely trade Reed, but if the right package came in return that's definitely something we should consider. Absolutely. I like this signing. Is Webb a ceiling middle reliever?

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) If Arizona wants Sale, start with Archie Bradley and Didi Gregorius, and then add 2-3 more. But they've already said Bradley isn't going anywhere. Agree, and that can't be serious about landing an ace if they keep prospects off limits. I'm okay with dealing Sale, but I wonder if others' injury concerns might make teams offer lesser value.