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QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) Wise is insurance for Danks or De Aza.. Good smart pick up... To call Wise insurance for De Aza is to have a $10,000 policy on a $500,000 home. Insurance for Danks - perhaps, as long as you don't let him bat.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Jul 13, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) I think Millwood and Wolf are realistic expectations. Both should be able to be acquired basically for nothing. But they're not an upgrade, however, if Humber pitches decently and/or Danks returns.

Sale- Peavy-Quintana is strong. Floyd's inconsistent but better than Dempster or some mediocrity like him. That leaves fifth starter. Don't use a ton of resources on this. It rarely works out well. If Williams can do it without giving up a single decent prospect for utility and back of bullpen talent like he gave up for Youk, then fine.

None, to answer the question. Using scarce resources to chase veteran middle relievers is foolish. Several of our rookies will produce what those guys can produce.

Then I read that Mitchell has no trade value. Well, let's see, he's a FRDC, he gets injured, finally recovers, and is having a positive season in AA. Yes has weaknesses, like all prospects....but no value. Funny, we give a closer for a stunted prospect. We give TCQ for a stunted prospect. We hope both prospects develop, but neither are top tier, yet we gave a legitimate major leaguer for each. But our prospects have no value, and should be dumped for mediocrities with 1.4 WHIPS. Right. I will also point out that Rios' deal ends after 2013, about the time Mitchell should be ready (if he ever is). WE need him.

Please - no legitimate prospects for mediocre pitchers. Honestly, considering Williams' trade record ( no good ones in 4 years), not trading is the best policy. We got a AAAA pitcher and a mediocre middle reliever for Edwin Jackson. That's what we should give up (and Edwin Jackson is better than mediocre). But Williams always pays top dollar in trades.

Kenny Williams hasn't made a positive trade since the Carlos Quentin trade. What we don't need is him making more trades. Stick to the waiver wire and call-ups and move upstairs and hand the GM role to someone else. We have so few prospects that we don't need to trade them anyway.

There was nothing good about either E Jax trade. The DBacks were mired in an awful season, looking to dump salary with their 5+ ERA pitcher. Williams ends up giving them our top pitching prospect plus the top prospect in the low minors. Notably, the D Backs are Williams' top trading partner. ONe year later, Williams is holding the top SP available at the deadline. He gets a career AAA pitcher from the Jays and a career middle reliever that we didn't need. Was this the result of Williams sending out his scouts to scour the farm system of potential trading partners (like he should have done)? This is the best he could do? Notably, Williams executed two more trades with the Jays.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 7, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) if ozzie was the coach still hed be starting and batting leadoff probably If Ozzie were manager, Fukudome would be playing everyday.

Giving up our best position prospect, Mitchell, for a Youkalis in sharp decline who Boston is trying to dump, would be clownish - absolutely insane. This division/playoffs will be won or lost based upon Sale, Peavy and hopefully an energized Danks, plus an effective pen. We have pop and can withstand a lineup hole. We need Mitchell to develop into a ML outfielder, or else we'll have DeWayne Wise Jr. in the outfield in 2014. Already we're ridiculously short in the outfield with Fukudome as our big bench bat.

We'd have to way overpay for Wright. We can get by with an average 3rd baseman, and hopefully we've found one. Williams should stay the course - we're best served by putting organization resources into developing young pitching (because that's where we're thin, and that's what you can't find on the scrap heap). I do think he should look for someone on the scrap heap to replace Fukudome.

Santiago's fine as closer. Our closer, and most closers, enter the game with no one on. Heck you can give up 2 hits and still close most games with that advantage. You don't need your best reliever as closer. And you certainly don't need your best strikeout reliever as closer. I figure Santiago back to the rotation at some point anyway.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 14, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) Floyd with the bend but don't break pitching performance. They didn't really hit Floyd much at all. He just didn't want to give them anything to hit, kept the ball down all day, and ended up putting several on through walks and HBP

Chris Young, Gio Gonzales, Dan Hudson, Clayton Richard. We have developed some players, primarily pitchers (and that was the strength of the systems 20 years ago and 12 years ago as well). We basically cut Jon Rausch when he left the park during the game. Our WS team had 3 starters who came up through the system. This team has 5, not including bullpen.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Apr 10, 2012 -> 12:35 AM) I never have a problem selling high on a closer, period. It's a guy you bring on to get 3 guys out. Random guys can come in and be successful closers, and it happens all the time. Hell, Santos was a converted SS who became a successful closer. I agree that selling high on a closer is wise. But we didn't really get a high price in return for selling high.

Bruney's terrible. Jones may need more minor league time, but he can also K a batter, and he throws hard and has a good curve, from what I've read.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 23, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) If your first sentence is true, your last 2 cannot be true. He's got 7, doesn't he? Who has more (in major professional sports) besides Buss?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 01:14 AM) You're leveraging a kid you only paid $50,000 for into a 6 year, cost-controlled #2-3-4 starter. That's a huge positive swing. That analysis would work a year ago. But at the time we traded him, we leveraged a 30 save closer into a 2/3/4 prospect, with whom many scouts question that level of upside. That's not a lot of return. Trading him was smart - it just looks like to me it was another situation where Williams honed in on one prospect, and didn't cut a very savvy deal.

Ideal? No. But he's decent and certainly better than what we had the last 2 years, whom this organization seemed to think was ideal.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jan 24, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) True, but value as far as defense is at the highest it's been for him. A team sees that, looks at the team control years, and then pictures his rookie year OBP, and maybe for the right team this is actually the most intriguing he'll be ever again He'll be 26 by late next season--the question has to be asked at some point here... Fine, if they pay the price of his current defensive prowess and rookie OBP, then we should get a grand return for him. That means A prospects, not Bs and Cs.

Thornton may be a good mid-year trade candidate. 1/2 of his salary is exhausted by then, teams often give a little more at that time and he's a really good pitcher - a lot of his struggles last year weren't his fault and he had a pretty solid 2nd half last year. He has been one of the best lefties in baseball over the last several years. And if we trade him, who do we have from the left side in the pen? Ohman? Yikes! This division is still crap, so we may want to keep him by midyear. Floyd, we should trade.

He should be on the hot seat. Swisher 1 and 2, Tony Pena, the Jackson trade, Teahen, 2 albatross contracts (3 if you add Peavy).

Isn't MB a type A? We better get more than just fodder.

That was an incredibly lazy play by Rios. How in the world can he start tomorrow after that?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 30, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) Give them Peavy Danks Thornton get back Young and Holland . Pass Need someone who can play the field. Young is beyond awful defensively. And we'd be down to 4 starters.