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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2013 -> 10:14 AM) But he did have Shin-Soo Choo sacrifice bunt 3 times this year. He also batted Brandon Phillips cleanup in the playoffs between Votto and Bruce - after Brandon Phillips put up a .706 OPS this year. Believe me, I don't want either one of them managing the White Sox. I thought Hahn was from the new-breed of baseball thinkers.

Baker never intentionally walked Chris Getz.

I vote for a strong retool. Basically every starter except for A Garcia should be replaced. they absolutely should deal De Aza, who as a decent hitter, might bring something in return, but whose brain dead play needs to be off this team. Ramirez too. They need a complete culture change, but obviously that wont' happen because of the retention of Ventura.

The Sox need to move out a lot of dead wood: Ramirez and De Aza for sure; Dunn would be number 1, but it's not realistic. We need a new culture here. Move Viciedo and Beckham too. Tired of players that swing at the ball in the dirt. Sox need a lot more OBP too, as well as power. I'm fine with trading Santiago if you get full value.

It's scapegoat time on the Southside. Can't possibly be Robin's fault. He's even clowning it up in garbage time. Gotta put the worst hitter at leadoff, L Garcia, because he has speed!

Robin, if you care about the White Sox, resign. You didn't do the necessary work to ready yourself for this position and it shows. And you know it.

What has Manto done to get canned? He didn't intentionally walk Chris Getz. He didn't pitch Reed 8/11 days or 6 in a row when the season was beyond lost. He didn't start bunting and doing other choke maneuvers with a 3 game lead with 3 weeks to go. He didn't manage the team to 100 losses. He wasn't responsible for lack of fundamental play, season long clowning on the basepaths or poor defense. He didn't automatically intentionally walk an opposing batter whenever a base was open with less than 2 outs in a walk off situation (that poor decision-making itself cost the Sox several games this season). I guess what Manto has done is that he did not play for the Sox in the 1990s. Manto may be a bad coach, but Ventura is incompetent at this point in his career. He should manage in the minors for 5 years and then try this again.

It's outrageous, really. Lose a 100 games with a team that they thought was a fringe-contender, and bring back the manager. The only reason is because his name is Ventura. Just as soon sign De Wayne Wise back and his .267 career OBP to be the top bench bat again.

And then there's the VEntura strategy. Over-use pitchers, never sit Alexei (he still won't in September garbage time) intentionally walk Chris Getz...heck, whenever a team has a runner on and base open when they can walk off, intentionally walk the batter to clog the base (that nonsense has cost us several games). 2 runners on down 2 in the 9th? Bunt the ball. He's a lousy manager all the way around.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 11:43 PM) Why does Robin all of a sudden want to manage forever? If his stance has completely changed, my guess is he'll sign that multi-year extension if it's offered again this offseason. If we suck defensively and on the basepaths again next year, Robin should be on the hotseat. He probably won't be, though, cause Sox are not going to be in the news much next season if we are out of it in May. My guess is attendance also will take a big hit this time if we suck a second consecutive season. Next season? What, pray tell, has he done to keep his job after this season? If his name weren't Robin Ventura, he'd out a week from yesterday.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 20, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) He gets one more year at the very least. Ozzie had a year like this and they won a division the next season. Remind me what year that was again when Ozzie won 60? It must be nice when the non-performing employee get to decide whether he stays or not.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) And as far as I can tell the team forgot to hire any staff other than a pitching coach this season, that hurts too. Can't figure out what they were thinking going into the season with no manager or practice. Let's just hope they hire professional manager next year, instead of a JR/KW fav.

I don't root for the Sox to lose. I do root for the Astros, marlins, Cubs, Brewers, Padres, Giants, Twins to win though. (did I miss anybody?).

Axe looks finished. But Ventura leaving him in to give up 8 hits and 2 walks over 2 innings is amateur hour. Ventura had to see all 8 hits and 2 walks to decide he didn't have it?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2013 -> 12:26 PM) We needed Lindstrom in July? I thought the team was more than out of the race by then. In the fangraphs world he's already put up $4 million in value this year. In the B-R world he's put up more. We needed him to pitch well in July so we could trade him. We sure as heck don't need him now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2013 -> 11:54 AM) Matt Lindstrom is making a much stronger case for having his option picked up and being the veteran setup guy in the pen than I ever expected him to. Wonderful. When we needed him to pitch well....i.e. July..he was atrocious. Isn't his option for like $4 mill?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 25, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) No it isn't. Wil Myers is a much higher rated prospect than Garcia. The recency of Myers and Segura are a reason why no A prospects were exchanged at the deadline. Hahn found an A- he liked and perhaps graded as an A so that's good.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 21, 2013 -> 10:57 PM) I guess it's relevant to this thread, is anyone else disappointed about the prospects we received from the Red Sox? I mean Montas has a big arm and control issues so he's a wild card but the other two? eh What strikes me is that the Tigers gave up Garcia AND a relief pitcher for Iglesias. It's hard to believe that they had to throw in extra. I would have thought that the reliever should have come to us (don't know if we liked him in particular, but his value seemed like it should have come to us). But I guess Hahn finally got someone to offer up an impact prospect he liked, so he jumped on it, understandably. I didn't think we'd get an A prospect for him and we did, so I'm satisfied. I would suggest that we start talking to the Orioles. They seem to give up solid prospects for mediocre starting pitchers. And send the relievers to Arizona - they give up starters for middle relief. Detroit might see Iglesias as an impact player for them. He's a top notch defender on a team whose left side defense is otherwise bottom-notch.

A raw 17 year old is one thing, but Mitchell was a raw college player when we drafted him. He started in a hole and then the injury just dug him deep.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2013 -> 09:51 PM) I want LaRussa if Robin decides to retire. Can't the Sox talk LaRussa into coming back? He should be refreshed by now. Just think if he signs for five-years with the plan winning a WS in years three, four and five. He'd be an all-time Chicago icon if he can turn us into the Cardinals. Amen. Or even if he doesn't decide to retire. And no Scoisia. he should take a year off and reflect, observe, work for ESPN anyway.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 01:32 PM) One thing to remind everyone about Santiago is he only had 27 minor league starts. The kid's control could easily improve with more experience as a starter, which is scary given how good his stuff is and how well he's pitched at the major league level so far despite being pretty wild. Give him some more time with Cooper and we may have something special. I would want a king's ransom for him and that's not Logan Morrison. I agree. We have several good young pitchers on this team, although Robin Ventura insists on piling up the pitches on them to win a big 60 this season. The Sox have the salary room to fix this team pretty quickly. But one thing we must insist upon is good defense up the middle. If we have to live with a few bad bats for a year or so, so be it.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 18, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) If you can get him for less then by all means yu do it. What did you think of the return for Alex Rios? The Rios return is the return they should expect for Lo Mo. Not a very good young starting pitcher.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Why is there no second thought if a team has an all right handed rotation, yet 4 or more lefties im a rotation is taboo? As far as I am concerned the Sox should worry about quality, not from which side they throw. There are more right-handed hitters and more of the best hitters are right handed. No harm in shopping him. His only problem this year has been giving up homers. A bigger home park might minimize that. The Sox have other needs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 7, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) Technically no we won't because we're unlikely to be told that he's been put on waivers and passed through. Isn't the list of players who've been waived readily available?

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 7, 2013 -> 07:20 AM) Maybe. Maybe not. Easy enough to find out. Waive him.