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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Wait...BA is sometimes wrong on some of their top 100 prospects? Well, s***... C'mon, now. Those were two years ago. A lot can change in two years. You've got the best of the best (Harper, Trout, Stanton) and then the rest. Top prospect lists fluctuate all the time. The guys at BA, BP and other prospect sites never claim to be right all the time.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) I was still somewhat on it. But our farm better be f***ing stacked by the end of this offseason. After all of the bumbling f***-ups by KW the last three years, this is what finally knocked you off? This is nothing compared to losing Gio the second time and Hudson.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) A catcher who put up a .779 OPS at the age of 24? I'd say that's a bit more than "not that much". Not one of Terry Ryan's finer moments.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) Here is one opinion. http://seedlingstostars.com/2011/11/24/the...-nestor-molina/ I've never come across this site. I pretty much stick to BP and BA. But that's cool. His stock has risen quite a bit since last year. I'm cool with the trade. I don't overvalue relievers. In fact, I hate relievers.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) Right, so why are a couple of people referring to him as a Top 50 prospect? That's what I'm confused about. OK, now I'm confused. What are we talking about here? You mean people from this board say he's a top 50 prospect? I seriously doubt he'd be on any top 50 prospect lists. At least not overall (position players included) prospects.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) No, I've seen the "Top 50" claim several times in this thread now. What I heard on the radio (#18 in the Blue Jays deep system) is drastically different from that. edit: I'm just looking for clarification there. A Top 50 prospect for Santos would be pretty ridiculous. Most top prospects lists (Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus) have yet to be released. Molina's status has gone up considerably over the last year. That #18 ranking is probably from some list over a year ago. Minor League Ball, another prospect-centric site, has Molina ranked #2 in their system. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/11/30/...spects-for-2012

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) Who has him ranked as a Top 50 prospect? I've seen that referenced a few times now. A top 50 prospect in all of baseball? Please tell me that's not part of your criteria for what a successful haul would've been for Santos?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Who is RV? Robin Ventura. Don't trip. Took me a minute to figure that out.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) Yes, but based on his ENTIRE career that was a complete outlier. All signs and basic math point to that not happening again. Second, Doug Fister was exceptional last season. I would take him over Peavy and Humber in a heartbeat. I still think Sale is a future Ace. Will agree to disagree on Dunn. I expect nothing from him next year. I know how good Fister was. That's my point. He's the Tigers #3 starter. He'd probably be our ace. I hope you're right about Sale, obviously. But I'm realistic. He's more than likely going to be up and down in '12.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) I disagree, his track record still means quite a bit and makes last year look like an outlier as opposed to the norm. Basic statistics would probably back that up. Second: 1. Danks 2. Floyd 3. Humber 4. Peavy 5. Sale Doesnt look like it could make the playoffs for us in the ALC? I think its a good rotation and could be better if Sale projects like I think he will. There are off years, and then there's Adam Dunn's 2011. He just whiffed three times looking as I typed that. Honestly, I'd rather have Doug Fister over anybody outside of maybe Danks in that possible rotation for 2012.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) I agree.. Reed should be our closer in April but i don't see RV starting the season with a rookie as a closer. It took me like 40 seconds to figure out who the hell "RV" was. Gotta get used to that one. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Dunn has many year of MLB production as his track record and he's a rookie how again? And at the moment our rotation and lineup are good enough to compete and win the ALC. Dunn's track record means nothing going into next year. The worst single-season in modern baseball history evaporated his track record. He has to prove himself all over again. Assuming Mark is gone, I don't think we have anywhere near a playoff caliber rotation.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) Frasor will probably be our closer but I hope that he gets traded as well That would be awful. The closer should be Reed come April. He destroyed the minor leagues. Nothing left for him to prove.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Until they trade Danks or Floyd, that's not correct at all. OK, 75 games. I've given up on Rios and Peavy. Adam Dunn is basically a rookie starting over next year. Mark's all but gone. It's going to be ugly next year.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) I'd say see what the Sox do prior to ST.. He might be able to jump into the rotation next year... No, that's no good. He should spend at least the first half of next year at AA. No reason at all to rush him. My fault. You did say next year. Not when next year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Did he, though? Did he? KW was not going to bend some GM over for Santos. If you recognized that, then you're not all that shocked or disappointed. The White Sox, as currently constructed, will struggle to win 70 games next year. Relievers are so volatile it's hilarious. May as well cash-in while you can.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) I wasn't sure what to make of it at first. Still not 100% sure. I never disliked the move, I just didn't fully understand 'why Santos' because he's cheap. He's a cheap closer. He's 29. He's good, not great. You have a ML ready replacement waiting in the wings. I'll give KW credit for at least recognizing the value of a 60 inning reliever.

Who was it that said trading Santos would send a negative message to players in the future looking to sign extensions here? lol.

Marty wins? I just logged back on. Holy s***.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 07:43 AM) Before 2005 they traded for a $6.5 million 6th year pitcher in Tim Hudson, sending three prospects, including two top arms to OAK for him. Before 2006 they traded for a $9 million 11th SS in Edgar Renteria for then uber prospect Andy Marte. Before 2007 they traded for a $2.5 million 3rd year closer in Mike Gonzalez, sending Adam LaRoche and a prospect to do it. Before 2008, they spent $8 million on a 42 year old Tom Glavine. The Braves thing is a fallacy. And Renteria was traded two years later for Jair Jurrgens. Glavine was simply a "will let him finish his career with us" signing. The Hudson trade was just common sense. The Gonzalez deal? Blah. Brian McCann, Jason Heyward, Tommy Hanson, Freddie Freeman. Craig Kimbrel, Johnny Venters all came up through the system as the Braves were getting old and expensive.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 06:07 AM) So if they are about .500 but truly suck, you won't go to games. If they just suck and lose 90 games a year, that would motivate you to buy tickets to 15-20 games? You sound like a closet Cubs fan. And the point he's trying to make still evades you. Milk, like myself and many others, want to see change. We want to see a new direction. A new method of attack. The imposed method has not worked for this organization. We, because we're big boys and don't react to the word rebuild the way a 5-year old reacts to the so-called boogeyman or the monster hiding under the bed, can tolerate a few down seasons (i.e. still going to games), or to be more specific, 2-3 seasons where we go into April appearing not to have a chance on paper, if you're ultimately working towards something better and sustainable down the road.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) Never happened. The Braves never sold off everyone at once. And the White Sox trading a pitcher they're likely to lose in FA, an often-injured RF and perhaps a 35-year old reliever is not turning over half the roster. The Braves were getting old and played out after '05. Sure, they didn't strip it down in one offseason. But they did over a 2-3 year period and rebuilt, for the most part, from within.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) I don't think they'd get Bruce either but why not ask? They're asking for a ton for their players. Whatever makes you feel better. I'd like to ask the girl in Chet's avy for just 30 minutes. Pretty sure she'd shoot me down. But no harm in asking.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) Until someone can give me a scenario where a team has quickly and successfully rebuilt after a complete tear down, I am considering it to be in the realm of BigFoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and Cubs World Series titles. Braves, Atlanta.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) So you're saying get awful as soon as you can, and maybe 2 or 3 or 4 regimes later, get good again. One problem with this theory, if the Sox are awful for any length of time, they aren't going to be able to afford keeping their good players and the cycle of dealing good players for prospects becomes endless. Honestly, I really don't give a s*** about the Royals, Pirates and what they've done the last two decades. The Sox have been throwing s*** against the wall for half a decade now and here we are. No farm and terrible contracts all over the place. The game was moving in a different direction and the Sox failed to adapt. What the hell is the difference between 65-70 wins and 75-80 wins? What? You were technically "in it" a month longer? Say what you will about the Cubs, but at least they have a plan now. Time will tell if they can execute it. Honestly, I'm afraid if Mark signs here that KW will use that as an excuse to bring back CQ, Danks, etc. I can see it now - "Hey, we didn't bring back Mr. Buehrle to throw in the towel for 2012.' f*** that.

Jay Bruce? lol. N.o.t.h.a.p.p.e.n.i.n.g.