Jordan4life_2007

Few love Mark Buehrle like I do. But I got over Frank Thomas, the reason I became a Sox fan in the first place, leaving in a less than ideal way. I could get over MB leaving if it made us a better team going forward. Mark is NOT a $14 million dollar a year pitcher. And this whole kicker thing for 2012 makes it a wrap IF we can deal him and get better in the process.

QUOTE (DaGame2584 @ Dec 12, 2010 -> 04:44 PM) Longtime "lurker" here, my question is are there any other site like Soxtalk for other MLB teams? Sorry if I have posted in the wrong section. Thanks! http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/18801-messa...ther-mlb-teams/ Sons of sam horn is an EXCELLENT site by the way.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2010 -> 07:17 AM) Yeah, I think you were one of them, when I mentioned Teahen plus a relief prospect for Lyon. I obviously know that Teahen is valueless, but including a relief prospect along with him for a good but not great reliever atleast might work. Really? Well I don't remember. But if I did it you deserved it. Hahahahaha.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2010 -> 05:47 AM) Teahen is only signed for 2 more years, and as was mentioned (and for which I was torn apart, even though I fully understand it), Teahen represents negative value on the trade market. You were torn apart for this undeniable fact?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 12, 2010 -> 04:42 AM) Dunn and Paulie? But in all seriousness, doesn't that mean: Rios, Floyd, Peavy? That's about it. Nobody wanted Peavy's salary two years ago. And nobody wants it now 2 years and multiple injuries later. Trading Rios would create another gaping hole in CF (the nearly $40 million he's owned doesn't help things). They'd have to be floored to deal Gavin and his extremely cost-efficient $12 million over the next two years. There's just not any real flexibility anywhere without increasing the payroll. And I believe KW this time when he says they've hit their limit for now.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 10:41 PM) I'm awaiting the obligatory Felix: "Kevin. Love." Shame Kahn can't surround him with talent. Here's hoping Rubio will help. Also, now with his three pointer, Rose will be the best PG by far at the seasons end. No. There are too many elite PGs for that to be true.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 10:46 PM) There are worse options. I don't really understand the Andruw hate. Not the best player in the world, but in his last 2 seasons, in 559 AB he's hit 36 HR, 91 RBI, 90 BB, 145 K, OPS>.800. I would be very interested in seeing someone give him a starting role or at least a majority role and see what he does. His production has pretty much mirrored (or bettered) Quentin's the last 2 seasons, with better defense. I do not love Andruw Jones, nor do I advocate given him the starting gig, but I wouldn't be too mad to see him in RF if a Quentin trade gave up some much need SP and RP depth. It's not hate. It's just recognizing the fact that in this point of his career that he's no longer an everyday option and hasn't been for three years.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 10:36 PM) I agree, but don't you think that's a deciding factor if they move Quentin? I don't think they'd want to make a supplemental trade to fill RF. Which is why I don't think CQ will be moved.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 10:32 PM) With that glove @ 3B, I'd be ecstatic with those numbers. Especially at $500K or whatever he'll be making next year.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) ...Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and Travis Hinton. oh wait. Carlos QUENTIN joking aside I think Quentin stays. You don't move what could be an integral part of a potent lineup for bullpen help. But, I guess it's all predicated on how well they like Andruw Jones in RF. Counting on Andruw Jones to be your everyday or close to everyday RF is irresponsible on so many levels.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) lol What are you laughing at? He's telling the truth.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:38 AM) I didn't pay attention to baseball much last year...was busy. And Juan Pierre is better than Carlos Quentin. So what. LOL. No he's not.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:31 AM) Wade Boggs and Rod Carew are crying. What?! I can't speak on Carew as much. But Wade Boggs? Dude was a a 5 time batting champion and a liftetime .328 hitter. He had a career OBP of .415! I repeat: .415! He had more extra basehits in 1 year than JP could get in 5. I must be in the twilight zone. JP is not good. I know he plays for us. But c'mon, guys, just be f***ing honest.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:26 AM) I actually had to look up who this was... You don't know who Jay Bruce is? Hint: He's better than Carlos Quentin.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) Let me nip this one in the bud, right quick... Nobody here, including Balta is claiming that Pierre is a better player than Crawford... But allow me to do a little math here, which I'm sure you will hate because it's easy to twist. I'm basing this on last season via Baseball Reference. Crawford: .307BA, .356OBP, 19HR, 90RBI, 47SB, 10CS, 104K Pierre: .275BA, .341OBP, 1HR, 47RBI, 68SB, 18CS, 47K We are paying Pierre what, 3M out of his 8M contract this year? So in effect -- Boston is paying 17,000,000 MORE [per year] for: +.032 Batting Average +.015 On Base Percentage +18 Home Runs +43 Runs Batted In +57 Strikeouts I'll ignore the base stealing since I think they both get caught too much, and both steal a lot...so in that effect, they're effective in making pitchers nervous. All I have to say is they can keep him for that. Oh yeah. It's really that simple! But I digress. I hate JP. I can't help it. I will cheer him because he plays for my favorite team. But I can't be phony. Thing is there's other players I hate more like Jeff Francoeur. I hate watching guys make millions to be mediocre at what they do.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:12 AM) This is exactly why I'm getting so annoyed at the Juan Pierre hate. You're only saying that because he's with us. Man I wish the search function worked. Everybody here was killin' him when he was a Cub.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 09:01 AM) No one's going to argue that Carl Crawford is a worse player than Juan Pierre, come on, that's exactly the kind of thing I mean when I talk about what annoys me on this. If you want to rip on Pierre for being a low slugging, poor RBI guy, you're right. No one would argue that he isn't. Your OBP point is the thing that I actually want to hear when we discuss this matter...an actual, factual point. A "Sissy single" though? Come on man. I didn't say CC was great. But he's worlds better than JP. Crawford was a developing player his first couple years. He didn't really take off until '04. He's better than JP at every aspect of baseball. That's all I'm saying. To hell with career OBP. Look at the last 5 years or so. And yes, even most of Juan Pierre's hits are of the sissy version.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 07:45 AM) All we're saying is that if you're going to hate on Juan Pierre, make sure your hate makes sense. Don't complain about his OBP and then 30 seconds later suggest having people with worse OBP leading off. Don't tell us how terrible his sabermetric stats are when he was worth $8 million in the fangraphs player value world last year. Career stats can be skewed sometimes. Crawford has a .350 OBP the last 5 years. Pierre has a .337 OBP the last 5 years years. Crawford is faster, a better baserunner and a better defender and offers something more than a sissy single in his best-case scenario. There's no comparison.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 08:37 AM) Reds lock up Jay Bruce, 6 yrs, $51 million Excellent move by the Reds to lock up a 23-year old soon to be superstar.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 05:12 PM) So what I'm getting here is that Juan Pierre is better. Then you need to retire from the sport as a fan if you think JP is better than Carl Crawford.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:42 PM) Not that this necessarily means anything, but Swisher from the leadoff spot was unwatchable. I don't have the numbers, nor do I care enough to get them, but wasn't his OBP there decent in his few PA's? I think OBP>Speed from the spot but I think a mix is very desirable. I don't know the exact numbers either. But Swisher was beyond pathetic in 2008. Any other year? Give me him over JP 7 days a week. It's a pretty s***ty feeling when watching a guy with over 700 PAs knowing that the best-case scenario is a f***ing single. My name is Jordan4life and I hate Juan Pierre. The end.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) How many post-1950 guys have had .400 OBP plus more than 40 SB, J4L? Besides Rickey? I can't think of anybody off the top of my head. That's not my point. For some reason certain posters have become obsessed with speedy leadoff guys. Speed is fine if it's there. But it's not essential.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) I'd package Johnny Danks + all of our prospects for Upton in a heartbeat. I'd package Danks and my family for Upton. I love that dude.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) I know we contune to disagree on this but I need to bring it up. You can't just use OBP and say it's proven to score runs and that's the way to build a team. The Oakland A's of the past decade are proof. They had alot of players that were high OBP but were lacking in defense and speed. This lead to winning enough games to win the division because on "average" against good and poor teams you scored more runs. However, once they got to the playoffs against the best teams and pitchers the high OBP didn't work anymore. The best pitchers don't give up high OBP to even the best OBP players. In this scenario you need to create runs with either speed (and I mean scoring from first on XBH or something like that not just SBs) or homeruns on a single mistake. There is room for role players. OBP is not the only stat that matters. I agree it is important but it is not the only stat that matters for all players. I never said it was the only stat that matters. But if you visit sites such as baseball prospectus and hardball times, it's been legitimately proven that high OBP, not SB or even SLG%, is the best and most reliable way to scoring runs. I don't care about playoff stats. The playoffs are a short sample size and an extreme crapshoot. I'm talking about the marathon that is the 162-game regular season. And Juan Pierre still sucks.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) Nobody does. That's not true. Nobody wants to give it up.