Soxbadger

Roto has the Bulls taking Draymond Green. http://www.rotoworld.com/slide/nba/238/2012-NBA-Draft That would be extremely puzzeling.

Its not about assuming what side the Chamber will be on, its talking about cases the Chamber of Commerce actually wrote arguments for (I believe at least).

Yeah, hopefully its on demand otherwise they replay it next Sunday.

Well, the Chamber of Commerce had no impact on the Immigration Ruling nor on Montana Ruling. That being said, from the article: I think the entire act being struck down is considered the least likely outcome, thus if you read between the lines and if the Chamber of Commerce is to win again, the bill would have to be found constitutional. Who knows.

If youre interested in Cleveland, I suggest their tourism video:

Damn I think I forgot falling skies was on last night, unless it wasnt on.

Its hard to be upset about a trade where the Bridge is the best piece you gave up. That being said, good luck to him, he always gave it his all.

So far the Court has been ruling in favor of the Federal govt.

Oh the tale of unintended consequences. A court full of "Conservative" Judges strikes a blow to States rights. The Supreme Court knows more about Montana than the people of Montana.

I dont hold my breathe about the Bulls making exciting moves.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Here let me do a soxbadger "where did I say Rose playing 39-40 minutes even after injury didnt contribute to his injuries?" I didnt say that. i keep telling you and showing you that THIBS WAS CAREFUL WITH HIS MINUTES AND ONLY USED HIM FOR EXTENSIVE MINUTES WHEN HE HAD TO! MOST OF THE TIME HE WAS PLAYING RIGHT AROUND 35 MINUTES Cite all you want. You are wrong about Thibs usage of Rose. Im not wrong, I posted the game logs of minutes, how can that be wrong. What you consider careful, I consider negligent. Its like arguing that its hot or cold in the office. I think its hot, no its cold. Im not going to change your opinion, you think playing Derrick Rose 38 minutes against the Knicks on April 8th was careful because the game was close. I think its stupid that they even considered the game being close, Rose had missed almost a month before that game was played. You think that Rose playing 41 minutes on April 14 was being careful, I think it was stupid. Not to mention that after each of those games, Rose then missed the at least the next game. You keep saying: "Extensive minutes when he had to" I keep saying: "Why did he have to?" It was the regular season, why not limit Rose no matter what. Why take the risk of Rose getting further injured?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) Its funny that you say I didnt read what you said, then you mention he didnt use restraint after I just showed you that he plainly did use restraint and limited his minutes often. But of course, he should have just not let him play for the first half of the season, right? That would have demonstrated restraint. Just dont play your best player until the playoffs. That would have worked. The point is that nobody could have predicted Rose was going to blow out his knee. You are acting like Thibs made him play 48 minutes a night and the knee blowing out was inevitable, which isnt even close to true Where did I say not play him a half? Look at the game logs, when Rose played around 40 minutes, bad things seemed to happen. Why would you not limit his minutes to around 30-32? Rose would still be playing almost 75% of the game. There is a reason why many teams put a cap on the minutes a returning player can play, its because injuries build up. And its not the knee being blown out was inevitable, it was they were increasing the risk Rose was injured every time they overused him and it was for very little gain. The risk reward was not in their favor. Here is an article on why overuse contributed to Rose's injuries, especially during a compact schedule: http://m.nwitimes.com/sports/columnists/jo...c98d0b8357.html Another article about the impact of this years condensed schedule on injuries: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1168819...ries-in-the-nba Now on the other hand there is one Dr, Dr. Atchek who has been adamant that overuse/schedule did not impact it: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/bask...writethru.1084/ At this point you can believe what you want, if you think that Rose playing 39-40 minutes even after injury didnt contribute to his injury battles this season, that is your opinion. The trade on its own does not make sense, at 7 you are likely out of the running for Barnes and Gilchrist, so you can not guarantee upgrading Deng. Thus the 3 way makes a ton more sense, you get Harris for PG depth, Wright as a SF, then at 7 you can take best player available. If the Bulls are looking SG, it could be Waiters, Rivers or Lamb. For a big the Bulls could have their choice of a number of guys as its possible Robinson and Davis are the only bigs selected before 7.

Do you even read what I write or are you just completely ignoring it? The point is that the Bulls sacrificed long term success for short term gain. Rose's injury could be catastrophic to the Bulls for the next few years. Paul Pierce is an old man, the Celtics window is basically closing if not closed. If this was Rose at 33 and the entire Bulls squad was old, you understand going to the whip. But we are talking about a young player coming off of a MVP season, and hindsight is 20/20 but the Bulls being the 1st seed or 4th seed really wasnt worth the injury. I am not arguing that Thibs didnt use Rose more or less depending on the game, I am saying that Thibs should have used more restraint regardless of how close the game was, and if that meant losing some games in the regular season, so be it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) Badger, what was the score of the games where he played 35+ minutes. And what was the score when he played less. What does it matter? He shouldnt have been playing that many minutes coming right off injury, worrying about winning regular season games and not resting Rose was short sighted and exactly what Im arguing against.

Yeah NBA salary cap is somewhat convoluted. I really dont understand much of it, just enough to make me dangerous.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) I'm hearing Mike Miller might retire. He has three years and almost $19 million dollars remaining on his contract. Do the Heat get that money back? If so, that's not good. Why would that matter? Im pretty sure Heat are almost at cap with Bosh, Lebron, Wade and Chalmers, so losing Miller would just impact their luxury tax. They would have to replace miller with a MLE so that would be rough on them. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm Unless the salary cap jumps about 20mil next year, the Heat are still way over as they have approx 52 mil committed to 3 players.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) You also have to keep in mind that they were holding Derrick out of more games than they thought were absolutely necessary, trying to hedge their bets. This makes a big difference. Playing 35 minutes when you feel completely healed vs playing 20 when you feel like s*** are two different things. When was Rose completely healed? Look at the game logs after January, he never played more than 11 games straight after his injury. Rose (imo) was NEVER completely healthy this season, which is why the way the Bulls handled him was criminal. And if you are trying to hedge your bets and keep him out of more games then necessary, wouldnt you also not over use him when he did play? It makes no sense to have him sit out an extra game to then play 39 and have to miss another game. Thats just ludicrous and inconsistent.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2012 -> 08:32 AM) You are looking at Rose's minutes in a vacuum. After his injuries started, his minutes dropped dramatically when he would come back. Sure, for the first half of the season before the toe injury Thibs was riding him hard. But when he started piling up injuries, if the Bulls were up big Rose did not play in the 4th quarter if the bench mob could hold the lead. If the Bulls were up big and the bench mob lost the lead, Rose only came back when needed. That is not really true. Rose's injuries started in January. When he returned he played 36, 38, 37, 45, 41, 31, 40, 31 and then he starts to get injured again, 11, 22. So he misses another 5 games, when he comes back does he play 25-30 minutes to take it easy? No, he plays 35 minutes the first game. Then it goes 30, 41, 35, 28, 42, 29, 39, 36, 35, 43, and he is then out another 12 games. At this point youd really expect his first game back would be light work, but he plays 39 minutes and then has to miss the next game. After that the Bulls take it easy, he plays 25 minutes. The problem is the next game he once again plays 41 minutes and then has to sit again for another 3 games. He comes back and plays 32 minutes and the final game 27. So your comment isnt really born out by the stats. Rose mpgs drop because a few games he played less than 25 minutes, but they were an aberration. It wasnt that after Rose got hurt early, he never played 35 minutes again. In fact he consistently kept playing 35+ minutes. There were just a few games where he played under 20 minutes and a handful of under 30. In fact of his last 6 games, 3 were at least 39 minutes, and after every 38+ minute game he didnt play at least the next one. The facts are Rose averaged the most minutes per game in Jan, when he was already experiencing injuries, and he only averaged a minute less in March after he had missed ten games. I do not agree with how Rose was handled at all.

Because Deng has a wrist injury that he played through all season, so youd expect hed get some extra rest. Rose is carrying the same load per game. I was only referring to per game as the point was even when Rose was coming back from injuries, he still basically played a ton of minutes, never really getting fully healthy.

I believe I only used minutes per game in my post, unless you are referring to something else.

Interesting comment. Youd think that god would have wanted to stop sandusky before he ruined all of those kids lives. Life imprisonment will be a fitting penalty.

Right, I watch basketball every night because those other sports are over. I watched basically every NBA playoff game, I dont watch every NBA basketball game during the regular season because there are other sports. /shrugs That being said lets focus on Thibs player usage. Deng played more mpg than any player, with an injured wrist. Derrick Rose averaged 35 minutes per game with multiple injuries, which was down from his 37 minutes per game the year before. You compare him to Westbrook, who was healthy the whole season. In no universe so a hobbling Rose be carrying the same load as a fully healthy Westbrook. Rondo did play a lot of minutes, it seems he also was injured some too. Then on the other end of the spectrum is Taj Gibson, who averaged less minutes than every Bulls regular except, JLIII and Asik. I think Thibs is good at coaching defense, but I think he is not so great at in game management. I think he is better suited as an assistant to a coach who is a little more clever during the game. I really dislike Thib's subbing patterns, I dislike how he handles match ups and I also am not a fan of his out of bounds play. Thibs may be better than 75-80% of coaches, Rivers and Pop are just the only 2 I can recently recall watching and going "Damn that was clever.", maybe I have high standards, but I do think those 2 are better.

Find where I said it. Ive never said that. I have said I dont watch as MUCH NBA until after the NCAA tournament. Which is true. That being said, you are comparing to Thibs to Spoelstra and Brooks, 2 coaches who I think are below average. My statement was about Popovich and Doc Rivers being better than coaches like that. So if you want to lump Thibs in that category, feel free. Im going out for a while, but Ill give a lengthier post about what I think some of Thibs and the Bulls issues are. I think Thibs is a good coach, I just think Rivers and Pop are better.

Then I change my remark to: Why you should always refuse to talk until you speak with a lawyer.

I think so, but I couldnt find any information to confirm.