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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 12:09 AM) For those who believe we would have a better record if Ozzie wasn't our manager, what a load of BS. Look at our record in 1 run games. Look at the players he forced KW to bring in. Now yes Perez should not have been playing at 1st for Konerkp. But a lot of ppl hav been b****ing lately, "Give Konerko a rest, he can't hit for s***". Alex you say there aren't a lot of SS's who hit worse than Juan Uribe. Let me start a list; Orlando Cabrera Juan Castro Cristian Guzman Royce Clayton Adam Everett Rafael Furcal Marco Scutaro Jack Wilson Now a lot of people are also complaining, why wasn't Marte brought in instead of Walker? Do you think it would have been a good move after last night? Everyone is saying, he isn't pitching like the Marte of old, and is getting hit hard. What's to say that wouldn't of happened again, and his confidence would be even more shot? Cliff Politte just isn't used enough. Period. Of course if Walker didn't pitch tonight, more questions would start getting asked. What's the point in having a lefty reliever, if you are not going to use him. At least now, he's off the team, which is what a lot of people wanted in the 1st place. And Jabroni, I ask you this. Do you still think Kevin Walker has the POTENTIAL to be a better pitcher than Neal Cotts? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. Marte has been hit hard once in his last two appearances, the rocket double to erstad. Marte did get the double play but it was botched by iguchi. He did walk a run in but the point is he should have never had the chance to walk a run in. Two days ago now he gave up to pop out singles ( both of which should have been caught and there is no way around it). Rowand didn't even need to dive for that ball if he was running full speed ahead and podsednik literally watched the ball bounce in front of him. Marte has pitched well lately considering he is back to popping that fastball at 94-96. Neither politte or marte have been overused contrary to what i keep reading. I don't understand where people are getting that from. Politte has been in 19 games and pitched 20 and a third innings. Marte on the other hand has pitched in 26 games while only recording 19 and two thirds innings pitched. If that is being overworked i don't know what to say. We need a left handed reliever and another right handed reliever if we are serious about this year. If you get the chance flop on aim.

QUOTE(professionalfan @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:31 PM) Are you kidding me? You guys were all for this guy in spring training, then he gets called up and only gets to throw 4 times in a month, gives up no runs until tonight where only 1 ball was hit hard off of him, and you not only say that he sucks, but make it personal like he is a jerk? Give me a break! He did the best he could given the circumstances which sucked to begin with. I can only think of several posters that have slurped walker out of all of soxtalk.

I called it when the f***er came into the game practically. We should hear the announcement for gload any time now.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) so he gave you a scare in the 7th inning i mean hermanson gave up more runs then him and i dont see people pissed off at him! Hm, hermanson has been lights out the entire season and has a stiff back at the moment i believe. Vizcaino has been lights out also if you consider giving up at least one run in half of his appearances. But if we throw out his six worst appereances he wouldn't even be too bad.

I would hate to see what people consider a ''badly'' pitched game by vizcaino.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) They counted agaist kevin walker not him LOL. Then he forced the bases full the next inning. He rawkz my sawkz... hehe.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) Viz didnt give up a run tonight and he did a good job stoping the damage the walker had caused. No. Gave up two inherited runs.

525,000 dollars wasted... :headshake

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:14 PM) what section were you in? He goes to more games than anyone here he said.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) Goddamit. These Ozzie apologists are going to make me puke. Once I saw Walker coming into the game, I said to my girlfriend, "Oh s***." I'm not an MLB manager but even I knew that trouble was brewing once Walk-er was put into the game. Why did you quote me?

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) Yesterday politte threw 1 pitch and got a double play so technically he has only pitched 2 innings I know, that was included.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:56 PM) You sound like Dusty Baker. All of those pitchers that threw three and four hundred innings a year along with 200+ pitches a game have had alot of problems. Players get injured as much now than ever. The only difference is they heal much faster due to better technology.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) Right on. On the one hand everyone is pointing out our bullpen sucks and on the other they are wondering why our only effective 2 or 3 pithers can't pitch every night. I cringed when Walker came out, but the season is long, it was the 7th and we didn't have Marte, Cotts and Politte available. Somebody has to pitch, so he brings in the unknwon lefty. It didn't surprise me that he got rocked, but the Sox seem a little thin at the moment with the bullpen. I'm sure that Ozzie would wave his magic wand and replace Walker and Viz with effective relievers if he could. Perhaps a tiny bit of hat tipping could go to the Angels at the moment as well. Like Texas, they seem to be attaining their hitting eye. Too bad Uribe was a hair out front, or we would of had our greatest ending in a season of great endings. Marte has pitched three and two thirds of an inning in the past two weeks. Ya he couldn't go. Politte has pitched two and two thirds of an inning in the last twelve days. Cotts has enough endurance to go more than three innings in a week no?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:54 PM) Have y'all ever thought that Ozzie is trying to get these guys some playing time in critical situations to see what they do? Is walker really part of the long term plan this year? Do we really plan on sticking timo at first base at any time this season? He should be gone when gload gets back so there is really no reason for ozzie to chance timo making an error ( which he did and led to two runs) and that possibly losing us the game.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) If you would've rather seen Politte and Marte even though they pitched consecutive days, raise your hand. I'm so sick of babying bullpen arms. Sick of ''babying'' pitchers period. A starter hits 100 pitches... oh nos his arm is gonna fall off. A relief pitcher hits 30 pitches... oh nos his arm is gonna fall off. Pitch counts are a bunch of bs to me.

QUOTE(Heartattack19 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 07:36 PM) What are these "Cheecky Panties" That you guts speak of? http://secure.www.gap.com/assets/product/m...250142-04p1.jpg

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:54 PM) I hate Vizcaino, but he did go 1.2-0 tonight. Might as well take it as a positive. Giving up both inherited runners is not good.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:51 PM) Less innings than innings pitched? I take it you mean games vs IP, right? Yes.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) Well sometimes you just can't have both. At least if you choke in the 6th or 7th, you have time for a comeback. Cotts, Marte and Politte were all used yesterday, so that pretty much left Hermy (never was going to come in the 7th), Vizcaino or Walker. Marte has hardly been used this year. When you have less innings than innings pitched no one can ever use that excuse ( not saying you did but i see it alot on here) Marte could have started the inning if we wanted to keep the game either close or what do you know, win it. Walker coming in = an automatic loss.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) or Konerko. That is the hilarious part about the Konerko sucks crowd. They got their wish tonight, and he was on the bench. Once again, be careful what you wish for. I wanted konerko benched for a couple days once gload came back up. Not before, and especially not for that piece of s*** aka timo perez.

Hawk and d.j. make me sick. They are so excited that vizcaino pitched horribly and that timo made a routine play.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) I guess sooner or later its bound to catch up with him and tonight looks to be the night. Still to say you'd pick Baker over him is ludicrous. We wouldn't have any starting pitching. I don't want either. But ozzie and his ''team chemistry''. :fyou Just hit a f***ing grand slam angels why not get vizcaino's era over 10.

Timo tried to f*** that up too. Omfg then d.j. goes and says '' what a recovery for an outfielder at first base''. Stfu d.j. Suck an egg.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) Pretty much explains most of this thread. This thread was not an overration and most of the things that have been said are not either. You really cannot manage any worse in one straight week than this fool has.