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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 31, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) You can't just look at stats. Look at CLEE, he had no errors last year at LF. I guess he's a better fielder than Jim Edmonds. Nope, that's wrong. He can't get to as many balls as an Edmonds. Uribe wouldn't be able to get to as many balls for outs as Ozuna at SS. Sad to see you have to depend on others to come up with an argument for you. And Uribe played 2B more than any other position last year. He split time at 3B and SS and not by much. Of course his stats(which is just that) will suggest he's a great SS. I'm still laughing at the stupidity and lack of intellect in your posts. Uribe had the very best zone rating along with izturis last year. How can you deny the fact that he has great range? Nothing you have said makes me believe that ozuna will get to more balls than uribe does. Why because he is faster? Their are alot faster short stops than uribe but that doesn't make them any better of a fielder. Uribe gets good reads on the ball and has excellent jumps more so than almost any infielder in baseball. But stats mean nothing or very little.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 31, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Easy killer, I didnt say he was a bad SS, I like him in that spot for sure, the guy has a cannon. As far as his range factor, im not even sure how to calculate that, the point I was making was the positions that they played coming up. I wouldnt want anyone else to play SS for us at this point, I love that crazy bastard. RF= Range Factor ((PO + A) divided by innings). ZR= Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc. I look at zone rating before i look at range factor because alot of times players can have a good range factor due to the fact that they are in the right place at the right time. Zone rating is based on how far you go for the balls to either side of the field. Up, down, right, left... it is all included.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 31, 2005 -> 04:12 PM) Defensively yes. Again, for some reason you're taking into equation the offense. When offense comes in, you don't argue positions. Ozuna is a better SS than Uribe. Uribe would be better suited for a 3B or 2B role. You were dead wrong and many people helped me prove it, so the only person you should be laughing at is yourself. There's a reason Ozuna was traded for Rentera(salary dump for potential). Ozuna is a better SS than Uribe whether you want to believe that or not. No one in the baseball world would ever agree with what you have just said. It is insane.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 31, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) I dont think he was saying that, I think he was saying that Ozuna's natural position coming up was SS, and Uribe is more suited for 2B. I agree with the first part , but not the second, Uribe's arm is more suited for 3B than anything, that boy has a canon, his mobility is lack, but he is usually well positioned. Really? That is why he was tied with izturis for the best zone rating out of any shortstop with a significant amount of time at short.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 31, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) I doubt it, I was never a good hitter. I was a damn good fielder, though. A lot of posters on this board would love me. So you would be hated too because you would be in the same situation as crede.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 31, 2005 -> 03:49 PM) Uribe is best suited for 2B is what I was trying to imply. PK was a catcher, should the Sox consider trading AJ and putting PK at catcher? Didn't think so. Uribe is best suited at the 2B position. If you can't see that, then I suggest you get your eyes check. Ozuna is more of a SS because he has the agility and quickness. Uribe doesn't have that agility of a SS, hence the Sox wanting to leave Uribe at 2B for the most part. Sorry if the trade doesn't note that. I guess Frank Thomas still plays 1B and Scott Hatteberg is still a catcher. And Jose is still a SS. That is very wrong. Uribe led the league in range factor last year for short stops and was fourth in the league for for second baseman. I think you are the one that needs to get your eyes checked if you can't see he has the ability to cover as much ground as anyone in baseball on the infield. I am guessing that is where the lack of agility and quickness comes in though right?

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) That's all well and good, but Randa has been getting less durable the past 2-3 years. Big issue in my book. None of this matters BTW. Safe prediction, the Sox will not trade Crede to Cincy for Randa straight up. Doesn't matter if 3/4 of SoxTalk wants it that way or not. That would be a retarded trade and i hate crede as much as anyone here. I also have been the biggest backer for randa ( since october) and i think it would be moronic. Like you said it is a safe predicition that we would not trade crede for randa straight up... it would be something far less than crede.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ May 31, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) Honestly what bothers me more is people just saying "board blows today guys" and "this topic sucks". It's just dumb, junior high school behavior, but it's par for the course on the internet I suppose. I usually ignore topics I find aren't good and try to discuss things that I think are worthwhile topics. The thing is it hasn't really been possible to ignore the bad threads considering every thread has childish bickering and random insults tossed in when. People in general need to chill the f*** out perhaps?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:48 PM) Who are the Free agent 3B this offseason???

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:29 PM) I was on vacation last week, so I must have missed whatever it is that you're referring to. I'm not seeing some of the usual suspects around, like TRU, flippedoutpunk, minny, tmar, etc. Hmmm. All of those are suspended outside of tmar... he is never a problem. I believe it is fop one month, tru two, and dougly ten.

QUOTE(JoshPR @ May 30, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) Why the hell isn't he here? How do you expect to communicate with Shingo if he isn't there? So el Duque and Contreras sould have one too?? The Major leagues are in the US and in English. Adapt or learn at least the baseball terms. Spanish kids have to, son't see why ythe japs don't Hardly all spanish players in the majors know english well. Half of them sound like they have marbles in their mouths while trying to speak. Quite annoying if you ask me.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 30, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Prepare to pay at least 8 mil a season. Don't see that happening from the Sox. He will be 27 years old by the time free agency rolls around and he should enter his prime shorty there after. Eight million per year still seems like a s*** load of money for a player on pace to have the worst year of their entire career. Also since so many people hated valentin's defense they would be saying the same about furcal. Both have great range and cannons but had the tendency to overthrow their taget by a mile or miss the routine grounders. Anything complicated they can make. Furcal is not an eight million dollar player but either is cabrera ( four year 32 million dollar contract) or renteria ( foru years 40 million dollar contract). In other words owners don't know when to say enough is enough and we are not paying you an insane amount of money to play a f***ing game.

First game is suppose to be sabathia against silva at 7:10 eastern time.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:58 AM) Just out of curiosity, do you like anyone associated with the Sox (outside of widge)? I can't recall a positive, non-pessimistic Sox post from you.... I am not very pessimistic. I tell the truth which many people cannot handle and mistake it for being pessimistic. But you go along believing what you wish.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) He has cost us many games, and yet, we still have the best record in baseball? What should we be, like 45-6? What bizarro baseball world are you living in? He has cost us almost every game, but he somehow managed to escape with a win 67% of the time? Seriously man, stop yourself. This is true, but it sure as hell seems to me he has money on the opposing teams more often than not. He makes alot of bone headed decisions more and i am not one of those people that says it after it happens. When i see something weird as hell going on i question it to see if anyone knows the answer why. More often than not he stumps everyone.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:08 AM) I just watched Marte's pitch again at WhiteSox.com. It's called "Angels rally in 9th:" if you want to see it again. That ball was no where near the zone. It was so low that Chone Figgins would have to be an idiot to swing at it. Bet you rowand would have swung at it.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) This is why Timo's still on the team. He gets hits when he needs to. I have never disliked Timo. Has he struggled? Yes, and he probably will be like that(which is why he isn't a starter) but he's a supersub(ala Hollandsworth who's just in a hitting slump like the rest of the team. For him, it's magnified simply because everyone wants the bench to bat over .300 The supersub part actually made me laugh.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 30, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) Edit: Oh, i get it. I think same caseel = sam cassell. Winnar... it is well known that i cannot type... i have some issues with it.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 30, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) Welcome to Soxtalk. You welcomed him twice.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 30, 2005 -> 11:46 PM) Larry is the rambling man. He's a genius in basketball, but irritates the hell out of me with his constant moving around. He is the same casell of coaches. His players have never down a thing wrong or commited a foul. He has basically said the same thing van gundy did about the refs ( but nightly) and no one mentions anything because he is the almighty larry brown.

I wish for nothing but the worst in his career...

QUOTE(soxman35 @ May 30, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) he is a smart Manager he knows how team cemastry works he puts everyone in the game so everyone is happy and gets alonge with each other. At the end of the season they are going to be a great team because Ozzie made them a great team u must not be a true sox fan if u dont like Ozzie Then if not liking ozzie guillen doesn't make me a ''true sox fan'' i am definitely not a ''true sox fan''.

QUOTE(soxman35 @ May 30, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) sweet I like that guy alot one of the greatest managers i have ever seen today he did not look to good thow hope we keep him for a long time You must be seven rather than 17... one of the greatest managers you have ever seen.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 30, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) Queue a Nossek return.... He should manage our team. We would have two more wins probally. Because the guy is a f***ing geniuss.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 30, 2005 -> 06:16 PM) They agreed today. MLB.com link. QUOTE(fathom @ May 30, 2005 -> 06:16 PM) It was formally announced today during the game. I r so very sad. I didn't see most of the game and i am not depressed because of it.