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Happy birthday to a fellow late nighter.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 05:31 PM) TAKE pike OUT!!! It's a damn lay-up! He was just trying to throw it off the back board so that the guy that followed could dunk it.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) Playing AT Oakland will be the true test.. Timo had another moment today. You should bring that avatar back out.

QUOTE(Brian @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Agreed. I'm nervous like I was in the 90's. 2:1 odds that Comcast f***s up the production of the game. That was quick. Sounds is all f***ed up. Go to tnt.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:01 PM) I dare you to come up with an opinion by watching a game instead of what you read on bbbbbb... Have you or have you not watched Kobe? Did you watch him when they were winning championships? I am seriously doubting you've paid attention to the NBA very long, especially with how young you are. I honestly think Kobe is a better defender than bowen. You don't. It's called having a difference in opinions. Grow up and realize that people are going to disagree with some of the s*** you come up with. Having to see you post "you don't know basketball if you think..." or "if you don't agree with me on..., you're not worth talking to" is getting old. And by the way, this is supposed to be a Bulls thread. I don't know how you manage to turn almost every basketball thread into an attack on whoever disagrees with you. Sad. :headshake I never attacked you. Yes i have watched kobe hundreds of times. I have come up with my opinion and said it you disagree with it. ''I am seriously doubting you've paid attention to the NBA very long, especially with how young you are.'' Now i will say that is really retarded to say. I am 18, not 11, i can come up with my own opinions from watching a game and voice it. Like it or not it is not gonna stop me from doing so. If you think kobe is a better defender than bowen that is cool. But the only others that will agree with you is a handful of people. Kobe was awesome against iverson in the finals when the 76'ers made it does that make him great? That is almost as pathetic as cubs fans and kerry wood. The only reason anything else but bulls talk happened in this thread is because i talked about your beloved scottie pippen. I see you edited your other post and i cealry never got owned by anyone. Nitetrain thinks is is o.k. that he should get the max and that curry can box out which he clearly is bad at. Many articles, announcers, websites, etc... agree with me. His defense has alot left to be desired.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) :headshake Unless you're thinking of pietrus, dalembert, duhon, or pike, I have no idea what you're laughing about. You do realize Kobe has been all-defensive a few times, right? And you've seen T-Mac's defense? Remember orlando? I wonder how it feels to think you know so much yet come up with some of the stupidest opinions ever... :headshake Lakers fans say this about his defense. I think they may know condiering they watch him night in night out. He really is quite overated defensively and it is because of his offense that he is vastly overated. Anyone that honestly thinks kobe is a godly defender and that bowen is worse than him defensively is not worth talking to.

Willie singles.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) First off, Ron Artest was always great defensively. Since he was with the Bulls and had nobody in the middle. Coming out of college, that was his thing. It's funny how Bowen turns great defensively as soon as he joins Tim Duncan and David Robinson. Just a coincidence though, right?? He has always been a great defender, always. But he use to not be able to knock down a 15 foot jump shot. Sleepy still has me laughing holy f***ing s***.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) You really need to sit down and watch Kobe play one of these days. I HATE Kobe Bryant. There's just something about his arrogance that I don't like. But I do recognize that, minus a few forced shots, he is one of the best players in the league and one of the, if not THE, top defensive guards in the league. Just like T-Mac??? T-Mac eligible for Defensive Player of the Year??? Wow, you really killed yourself with that one... Don't even put those two in the same sentence defensively. Kobe's D is probably underrated because of his scoring proficiency. He can lock down. He defends well. I've seen it time and time again during their championship (Damn, I hate the lakers) runs. Maybe you weren't following basketball then, but I won't assume.. And LeBron is WAY overhyped, but he can defend very well too.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:04 AM) By all means, call him a dumbass. But I'm gonna disagree with you every single time. Depends on what you mean by "perimeter" defender. Artest is more lock-down. Kobe is better in all aspects of defense. LeBron is just as good, and better in the passing lanes. Hughes and Arenas are better in the passing lanes and will get more steals. Kidd, when healthy. Iguodala in the future... Kobe bryant is one of the most overated defenders in the league. If you do not believe me you can go ahead and get others opinions on him ( unless of course they are a lakers fan they would be slurping him). He is always good, sometimes very good, but how often is he great? He is just like mcgrady, if they were not 30 point scorers they would never be eligible for defender of the year. It is very rare that you see either player play defense like they are capable of. Lebron gambles way too often as does huges. Before this year you never heard huges and good defense in the same sentence. If you consider getting burned half the time you go to steal the ball a good defender he is at the very top of the list. He also can't stay in front of people ( isn't that what a man on man defender should be doing?). Arenas is not even a candidate for dopy... he is very mediocore. Kidd=declining defensively mightily same thing goes for payton. In there primes they were beasts but that is no longer. Iggy is the future for sure though. It is already artest, bowen, and then iggy as the best in the league.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 03:50 AM) Didn't know you were a spurs season-ticket holder... I don't know if you read my post clearly or not, but what I said was that I respect Pippen's comments because of everything he has done for the Bulls and don't take too kindly to him being called a moron or dumbass... Sure, I've watched bowen. I recognize that he's been all-defensive partly based on playing with Timmy. He's good, but not great. One of my biggest pet peeves is people ASSUMING things about me. If you wanna know how many games I've seen or what I think of a guy like Ron Artest, ask me. Opinion-based discussions have no clear right or wrong answers. I really don't mind not having the same opinions as know-it-alls... As i have stated before i have the nba package... Pippen was a dick off the court, one of the biggest. Sure i respect what he has done with the bulls. Does that mean i have to agree with what he says or not call him a dumbass because he won 6 championships here? No. I did ask you about artest and also who is a better one on one/ perimiter defender in the league other than maybe artest?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 03:35 AM) I guess 'elite' is a term that can be thrown around fairly loosely in the NBA nowadays, possibly because the talent is not up to par as in years past... If Jordan or Pippen say it, I'm agreeing with it. I'm excited about them going back to black shoes! I was pissed the few times they wore them during the season in years past. I can still remember seeing trenton hassell wearing black Jordan's... Elite being one of the top three perimeter defenders in the league since 2001? Watch a game or two of his before you just go and agree with jordan or pippen or whoever. I have a good feeling you may have just watched one spurs game other than when they faced the bulls. Ron artest is not good defensively because he has o'neal right? Since that applies to bowen it should for artest too. Like i said, let's start a poll at either place and get the results.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 03:26 AM) Agreed. Pippen is one of the GREATEST defenders of all time. I would never view the man that gave us 6 championships as a "dumbass." I'm sure posters at bbbb or whatever know a lot more than a six-time NBA World Champion, 4th in steals all-time, playoffs in 16 of 17 years, NBA All-Defensive Team from 1991-2000, 7-time All-Star, two-time Olympic gold medal winner, and one of the 50 greatest players of all-time... But I'm going to go ahead and side with Pippen. Seriously though, bad-mouthing Pippen is sacriligeous coming from a true Bulls fan, in my opinion... To say bowen is not an elite defender is a dumbass comment. I don't care if jordan, kerr, or pippen said it.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 07:51 PM) There are a lot of adjectives I'd use to describe that thing, but "cute" AIN'T one of 'em....HA! Secksy?

QUOTE(3E8 @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 11:57 PM) Is Gload the other? Or Widge? Neither. I just think widger has sexy facial hair and gload is under appreciated.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 11:47 PM) It doesn't make him look like a dumbass. One of the greatest, if not the greatest lock down defender in history would know. How come Bowen didn't latch on with other teams like the Bulls??? How come when he was with the Heat his defense wasn't any good??? What Pip said was truth. BTW, The Bulls will continue tradition and wear black shoes for at least tommorow's game. His defense was good but people did not view him as a defender then. He was viewed as a solid guy who could make some threes. Until he was given the chance to show what his true skill was. He never stuck with a team or could even make a team because of how bad his mid range jump shot was. Bowen is not up for defensive player of the year, year in year out because he runs to a seven footer ( who is not a first team defensive player himself). Alot of people do not like bowen because he has the biggest reputation in the league for being dirty. He kicked wally in the face when he clearly didn't have to. He also uppercuts people and trips them purposely. Does it really matter if it took him so long to get into the league? Ben wallace was not drafted and he is a beast defensively. Just because a player wasn't given the chance or couldn't make it at a certain time doesn't mean they are not good, just overlooked or didn't have the desire. Hinrich, nocioni, and duhon are probally only good defensively because they have two seven footers to run to right? Set up a poll on either ralgm or bbb and 90% or more will say he is one of the best perimeter defenders in the nba.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) Phh... :rolly Marte's a one inning pitcher. He gutted that second inning out. Major -- major props to our best reliever three years runnin. And I don't expect that to change this year, either. You honestly think he is a one inning pitcher? Or you making fun of ozzie? I do agree he is our best reliever... one reason why he is one of my two favorite players on the sox.

QUOTE(Spod=Ratings @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 11:23 PM) i meant win a series. like advance in the next round Qwerty = pwn3d.

Oh, and what pippen said about bowen makes him look like a f***ing moron. Not a good defensive player? He just has to run to his seven foot friend? Why the f*** is his seven foot friend not a first team defender then? Bown is one of the best defenders in the nba plain and simple. Everything else pippen said though i can see but that just pissed me off.

QUOTE(Spod=Ratings @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) besides the scrubs( Who no one cares about) was 98 the last time we advanced in the playoffs in the four major sports? QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 10:14 PM) Well since 2000 for the Sox, 2001 for the Bears, and 1998 for the Bulls. That is a long drought IMO.

The last team left is the montreal expos. You must have aim and be able to check the league news daily, you also must have aim. If you are interested just leave a post and i will give you the information.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 10:40 PM) Politte Cotts Marte Crede 14 game hitting streak Vizcaino :puke To me it seems like vizcaino's role and marte's has been flip flopped all year until today. Marte would come into face the lefties while vizcaino would face lefties and righties. That needs to be changed as quickly as possible if today hasn't already sealed their faith.

Title needs to be fixed.

If b-mac is brought up i might shoot my foot.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Apr 23, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) I hope this is just some little injury that will heal with rest. Please god........please! 19 more for you until you reach a majikal feat.