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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) Of course Contreras only pitched with the Sox for a couple of months, unlike Garland who pitched for us for the whole season. And I'm sure Contreras' bad starts gave up more runs than Garland's, who only gave up more than 8 runs once all season long I think. You are horrible. :headshake He gave up ten runs against the phillies on june 9th.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) who Contreras? Contreras had 3 very bad starts with the Sox, and Garland had 9. I was just saying over the course of the year with the yankees and sox he had nine very bad starts.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Or else what? GMAFB! Garland vs. Contreras (Sox numbers assuming he qualified) (AL rank) OPS: Contreras .772 (21) Garland .786 (28) K/9: Contreras 8.2 (5) Garland 4.69 (35) K/BB: Contreras 1.62 (35) Garland 1.49 (37) G/F (remember, Garland is the "groundball" pitcher): Contreras 1.51 (11) Garland 1.27 (17) Contreras' problem is that he had a few horrid outings that people can't get out of their head. Garland will go 6 innings and give up 4 ER or he'll have a meltdown and blame anybody but himself. Over the entire course of the year he had nine very bad starts. About six too many to me. I dislike garland as much as you but you when contreras implodes he implodes. No denying that fact.

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) so me and qwerty were the only Contreras voters? WoOt, one more.

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) Do you research and you will see. Garland's first 5 years, 149 games, 46 wins, age 25 Johnson's first 5 years, 157 games, 56 wins, age 29 I'm not saying Garland is better than Johnson. I'm just saying GET OFF HIS f***ING BACK!!! How about we throw wins out the window and look at era?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) I wonder who voted for Contreras

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) That's something people should take into consideration for this upcoming season. In the previous seasons, the Sox would try to avoid the fifth starter days. I forgot where I read it (either the Cubune or Whitesox.com,) but Guillen said he is so confident in his bullpen, Buehrle and Garcia will pitch under 200 innings this year. Well, that is not a good sign.

No. I don't know why people would think they should.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) It should be interesting with Jon next year, all the other 4 starters are locked up through 06 and he's arbitration eligible and with Bmac on the way I agree it's definitely put up or shut up time for him. I like Jon alot as the number 5 guy because he'll be one of the best 5th starters in baseball however if Brandon is ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Jon get non tendered to free up some cash but who knows, should be interesting........ Do other people besides me consider contreras our fifth starter?

QUOTE(farmteam @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) Alright, I'm going to sound REALLY stupid if I'm wrong...but I swear I remember Weaver was at Long Beach State, not CS Fullerton. Then again, I also thought Clinton Portis was a first round pick. You would be right.

QUOTE(YOUCANPUTITONTHEBOARDYES @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) If you watched Weaver in the 2004 College World Series, he led Cal State Fullerton very far. He is a STUD. He's got an awesome curve and excellent leadership. In the past, you'd wonder how he'd fare against the likes of Albert Pujols and SAAAAAAAAAMMMYY. But with this new and improved steroid policy, he's going to excel in the majors. That is a small name you have there.

Wtf?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 07:24 PM) Roberto Alomar = Wade Boggs perhaps? He could still hit at the end Of his career with the devil rays. Alomar on the other hand cannot. Alomar is gonna need three years to get his 3000th hit and it only took boggs two years to do it with the devil rays.

The game will not download for me. I get the same thing dan does.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) I'd say Pedro bests him, except in durability. But if Koufax has a spot on the list, I think Pedro's got a legitimate gripe. Koufax withotu a doubt has the best five year time span of any pitcher to ever play the game. But i don't know if i can put him on the top 10 list. His years before his last five while good, were not great for that time frame.

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) 1. Stop pierce, make sure he doesn't get the ball 99% of the time you don't try to really stop a team's leading scorer. Because most times they will find a way to score those points one way or the other. Basically have to hope for an off night from them. You have to stop the main role players like payton/mccarty /allen if you want a chance to win.

They are just wasting their money. They should have gone with cantu.

QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) the best reliever in the AL, are you kidding me .................. and what happens if he doesn't. He said best left handed reliever.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) I'm with you on this one. Damaso is the best left handed reliever in the american league. He had an off year last year and he was still pretty darn good, if we got Damaso back to his form from 2 years ago which I think we will then he is absolutely lights out. Kline is now on the orioles so he has some competition for best left handed reliever in the american league this year.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) Scott Williamson signs with the cubs. Dont know how healthy he is though. If there is no option for 2006 this is a really stupid deal.

http://www.sports-wired.com/profiles/OZ/tbc628.asp

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 17, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) I think there's a player option for $10 million, and if that's rejected there's a $13 million team option (or it may be the other way around), so it's likely Thomas will still be here in 2006. Option and in 2006 has dual option: 10M player and 12M Team or 3.5M buyout- 2M in bonuses for a top 10 MVP finish.

I want to pass these pictures along from here. http://basketballboards.net/forum/showthre...6156&forumid=27

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jan 17, 2005 -> 07:36 PM) I have been over posting on marlinsbaseball.com about the idea of them dealing Castillo if they sign Delgado... and the Marlins fans seem to think there is no way this will happen. I have been reading over there also and what i get from them is there is no way in hell he will be dealt. Would you really feel good about easley being your starting second baseman? He is worse than willie harris.

This dick deserves it.