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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 06:50 PM) Quintana threw like 7 pitches in the 8th inning. He was f***ing cruising. You don't pull a guy like that out for anyone, I don't care if he is Eric Gagne in the midst of 60 straight saves. I had no problem with taking him out.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 06:33 PM) WTF are you talking about. You live and die with the guy who you got you there, especially when he's thrown UNDER 80 pitches. Completely mind-boggling. It's obvious the guy knows how to pitch and is a competitor, he's not going to "lose it" if he ends up losing it himself. This guy is a stud. Remains to be seen if the guy is a stud. The closer has to shut it down. The bigger issue is Reed's stuff hasn't been as dominant as what we saw at the end of last year.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) But...just.....what... Completely speechless. No coherence whatsoever. Closer has to shut it down.

When you look at Sox teams from 2006 on Thornton is quite emblematic.

Far from a no-brainer to leave Q in to pitch the 9th. Leave him in and HE loses the game his confidence could take a hit and this is a guy we look to be counting on here at least short-term. Thornton is just terrible when the game is on the line. Sox fans love him though. Most overrated Sox player in recent memory.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) As for most reasonable, I nominate Kyyle for that, because he has to police us. Agreed. I'd also like to have a beer with him. He seems to be one of those guys who has a unique perspective on life. Very underrated poster.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) That just confirms that 1000 is low. You wrote something silly and got called on it. Big deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 12:47 PM) That's not what I'm saying. I think losing Buerhle was the final straw for many people with season tickets as far as renewal and hurt pre season sales. No. Zero effect.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2012 -> 12:10 PM) Danks isn't getting paid all that much this year. Next year is when the big bucks start rolling in. Its always a gamble to give any pitcher 4 or 5 or even more years. So far it looks like a mistake, but judging it now is so silly its beyond ridiculous. I wish the Sox brought back Buerhle. He was willing to take less than he received, yet there was no offer, and considering they were trying to throw some money Soler's way, its apparent the checking account wasn't as low as they have expertly have it perceived. But signing Danks is a decent move. You win with pitching. He's young, and up until now has been very healthy. He had a circulation problem several years ago that was cleared up quickly, and last year had a rib cage injury. So the injury concern was minimal. Except for his rookie year, when he was shut down, and last year's trip to the DL, he's made at least 32 starts each season. He's been a horse. I still can't get over how many posters wanted a total rebuild, yet have absolutely zero patience. s*** happens. Hopefully, there is no damage in Danks' shoulder. If there is not, there's no reason to think he won't be a real good pitcher the next several seasons. Danks is getting paid #2-type money and I think you need two starters better than Danks to win a WS. Sox fans love him because of game 163 vs. Twins.

The rush to sign Danks was a gamble that had more downside to it than upside. You can't blame Williams for the injury, but it was curious to extend him coming off of a subpar year. They didn't get all that great a discount on him either.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:51 PM) Jesus Christ. Danks has a few bad starts and it's a bad contract? Well, it's not exactly a good contract. It was a gamble to sign him when he was healthy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:41 PM) First place, though, despite how bad our division is, it's pretty hard to make an argument KW has been "fireable" this season because of the contributions by players like DeAza, Nathan Jones, Reed, Viciedo and Quintana. All of his "big three" guys in Peavy/Dunn/Rios are playing like they were originally forecast to when they were acquired. Beckham hasn't been a black hole. While nothing resembling an All-Star, he's been at the very least productive and a solid contributor, especially when defense is taken into consideration. The jury is very much still out on whether Williams should be retained next year. The Danks contract and Molina pitching like a middle-reliever many thought he was is enough justification to go in another direction if this team falls out of the race.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:36 PM) At least Adam hasn't been an abject disaster in the field. Proving that anyone can play there. Which is a reason Viciedo should be expendable under the right circumstances.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) What do you expect to happen, KW to resign in frustration since our pitching is in shambles? I don't think KW deserves to still be the GM of this team based on the previous 6 years. Expressing concern over the current state of the rotation is altogether different.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2012 -> 10:19 PM) The Players union would probably file a grievance. So what.

What's going to happen when this rotation faces the Yankees, Rangers, and Red Sox in the coming weeks?

I expected the rotation to hold up through this interleague stretch. Their performance and Danks health makes me think one starter might not be enough.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) We aren't going to be able to look for players if we can't pay them. Who are these players they can't pay?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 08:13 PM) Viciedo now 3/32 in June, 1 HR, 1 RBI. 0.094, 13 strikeouts Streaky. He went the last 7 games of May when he was locked in without striking out a single time. Bump the Viciedo thread now.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:04 PM) Sure, but I won't burn Dayan on any of the SPs we've discussed. I think if they got Grienke tomorrow they'd be among the favorites for the AL Championship.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 10:01 PM) Unfortunately for you I wont Man that is just not cool.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:59 PM) I don't want to trade Viciedo for Zach. I would potentially for Wright. I think the need for a SP is paramount.

Lot of moving parts, long story short, get Grienke for Viciedo, deep run in postseason, resign Grienke. build team around Sale, Grienke, Danks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) He has the bat speed, more than even Frank Thomas, it's just pitch selection. He's more comfortable with sliders and offspeed pitches right now. For Big Hurt's entire career, he had a slider speed bat, but it never stopped him from becoming a first ballot Hall of Famer because of his great patience and plate discipline. Obviously, that's Dayan's weakest point, but, once again....he's a 23 year old still learning and adjusting. He has a full four years to go before he would even be considered to be in his prime. How long has he had this "bat speed" and how long before it typically slows down?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 12, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) I don't know what to say, but this is idiotic. I'd understand if he's been s***ty his entire professional career (which is under one year and this is his 1st year of being an everyday player) but this is a guy thats done pretty damn well. Minor League service counts as pro ball. I don't think he'll be an elite offensive force.