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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 19, 2012 -> 08:41 AM) Its simple. If KW acquired them, they suck. That, and probably most of your posts are BS just to try to aggrevate people. 1 post-season win in 6 seasons, Dick. KW's record is what it is.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 19, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) Don't you think the Sox should change GMs before they get rid of their better young players? The way you're wired, you will have the same issues with whatever they get back as you do with the current guys. How am I "wired", Dick? Do tell.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2012 -> 11:14 PM) So would you also fire Ron Gardenhire for the reason they've only won one post-season series in a decade despite appearing 6 times and have gotten completely blitzed by the Yankees the last couple of times? And because they're arguably the worst team in baseball right now, playing in a two-year old stadium. (Here's where Marty has an out, he can say he would have fired the GM who made four incredibly bad trades, Bill Smith, which is actually what transpired...and that the field manager has very little to do with the results of the team and that JR should have emulated the Pohlads and axed KW). What are you out to prove or disprove about me based on my answers to the ridiculous line of questioning on whether or not I would want person A gone because I want KW gone?

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ May 18, 2012 -> 10:01 PM) That's an odd standard. I know you're just responding to people comparing his play style to Vlad's (really, that's just because of aggressiveness, and he's changed his approach since then), but while we're on the subject of standards...what are yours? What level of performance is acceptable? You have not stated a standard for any player to live up to in any of your crusades against them, you've just said they're bad and you don't like them. I think hs top side is a Carlos Lee/Nelson Cruz-type, solid everyday corner OF'er who you let go once you have to pay them. If he turns into Ordonez - a solid 3-hitter - I'm wrong.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 18, 2012 -> 09:57 PM) That every single post you make and every single opinion you ever express can be explained fully by a desire to have KW fired, and you judge players performances solely through that frame of reference. Thus, if someone else had signed him, you'd love him because then KW wouldn't get any credit if he has success. My desire to have Kenny Williams replaced is based largely on 1 post-season win in last 6 years.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 18, 2012 -> 09:51 PM) And if it came out that Rick Hahn was 90% of the driving force behind this signing, would you still be going on and on about Viciedo like this? It's almost like you are unhappy he's been playing well recently since it doesn't support your hypothesis. Maybe it's time to go back to the "If Molina doesn't crack the starting rotation in 2013, KW must be fired!" strategy. Because if you were GM, Santos would have netted you, wala.....a young Pujols, Cabrera and Fielder in the same trade. And Quentin would have brought back a Kemp or Josh Hamilton, surely. What are you suggesting with that Hahn comment?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 18, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Can you please plot for me the appropriate relationship between how young a person is relative to average for a particular level and how far above average their performance needs to be to satisfy you. Any way you plot it, Vlad Guerrero he isn't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 18, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) I'm also pretty sure that Dayan was younger than both at all levels, and neither of them came from Cuba and had to learn a new language and culture all at once. Not young enough to make up for the descrepancy in numbers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 18, 2012 -> 07:55 PM) He had better numbers than Magglio Ordonez, so he must be better than him. It's a better comparison than Kemp or Konerko.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ May 18, 2012 -> 11:35 AM) My point is that improvement happens. You and Marty would have traded Matt Kemp two years ago when he was being called a disappointment, not living up to the hype. Whoops! Everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring Viciedo's minor league stats when they throw out Kemp or Konerko as examples. Those guys hit better than Viciedo at every level.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 18, 2012 -> 07:29 PM) If the same thing happened to De Aza, your answer would be different. Maybe yours too.

There was nothing Rios could do with that ball. He had it all the way until the last second, it's do or die at that point.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 18, 2012 -> 04:57 PM) Again, you can't. You're standing in the spot where the ball will land. To adjust the angle enough to get the ball out of the sun, you'd have to run at least 10 feet to the left or right, as it's coming down. Unfortunately, the sun wins sometimes. Right. If Rios was stationary underneath it maybe he could have changed the angle by playing it of the side, but he was running in to catch the ball. Bad luck.

Don't know if this was commented on, but Smardjia hit Heyward the next time up after he homered earlier this year. Make of that what you will.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 18, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) Are you satisfied with what was done today? One purpose pitch throws way way behind LaFair or whatever his name is? What actually was done? I would have enjoyed hearing Ozzie rant about the p**** Cubs throwing at and hitting in the face one of the best players in Chicago baseball history. When you throw behind a hitter that is a serious message. Much more effective than hitting someone in the hip.

Caught the tail end of Hollandsworth on CTL ripping Peavy pretty good. If anyone else heard it what was his point?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 18, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) This is a good call. Konerko came to the Sox when he was 23. In the NL he hit : 224 AB 7 HR 17 BB 42 K .214 AVG .275 OBP .601 OPS Its amazing how many people want the Sox to totally rebuild but don't have the slightest patience with young players. What were Konerko's minor league numbers compared to Viciedo's?

So if Viciedo doesn't turn into the next Ordonez (or better) will he be a disappointment?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 17, 2012 -> 08:29 PM) So Peavy's option is insane, but Hamels' extremely long and expensive deal makes sense? Let the Yankees suffer the consequences of signing Hamels long-term, not that Jerry would anyways. As for Hamilton, if every team is scared of signing him to a Pujols/Fielder deal then maybe KW would have some interest. However, some team is likely to offer him a monster deal and there's just too much risk with him. And even if the offers are shorter, we're still unlikely to be the highest bidder. Yes. I'm going to say right now that the worst thing the Sox could do would be to sign either of these guys in the offseason even though it would never happen.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 17, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) I don't think we've seen what DV is capable of yet, not at any level. It will be beautiful when we see it, though. What makes you say this? Didn't he top out (only) in the 30's in BA's prospect lists? Who are guys who did that and had similar minor league numbers as Viciedo and became perrenial All-Stars? Interestingly, Magglio did put up similar minor league stats as Viciedo. Of course, Maggs might have had some help putting up those Major League numbers.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 17, 2012 -> 07:27 PM) There's nothing saying we can't move him for another hitter...there's nothing saying we can't move him for SP which allows us to move another P for a hitter. People need to stop thinking about our assets in such a limited fashion. The goal if you want it to be, can often times be about maximizing the value of your assets...if that means trading one of them while it is at peak value, then so be it. This is the truth.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2012 -> 07:18 PM) I'll agree with this. Morel has a better chance of winning the triple crown than the Sox signing either of those guys. That's Balta's plan and it's flawed in a couple of ways. First, it's beyond ridiculous to think either one of those guys signs with the Sox. Second, if they did sign one of those guys and lost Peavy, they'd be no better off next year than they are right now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 17, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) Meaning, if this team plays well against NL teams and pushes up to .500, they've actually set themselves up surprisingly well for next year, because Peavy and AJ's contracts clear, saving $28 million ($5 million or so of that spent on the Danks extension already). That means the Sox could be legit players in FA for someone really big, like Hamels or Hell even Hamilton, as long as it starts with an H, and that could well push this team to be a legit player next year. This is funny because you are so adamant about the Sox having no chance this year. Forget about winning the division, the Sox have a better chance at winning the 2012 World Series than they have at signing Hamels or Hamilton this winter.

I hope I'm proven wrong. Unlike some of you, I have been wrong before.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 16, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) Angels, Rangers, Rays, who else do you got? Oakland? Toronto? Detroit maybe but Porcello & Scherzer are awful. Those are the 6.