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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 03:57 PM) Who cares? Everyone understands the team is in a holding pattern. Cowley has an agenda. He's the last of a dying breed. He needs to generate interest. The Marty character is obviously a troll. Anybody who acts intentionally dense to garner attention is, by definition, a troll. What does holding pattern mean when you have the worst rated farm system?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) Mostly because he has done a good job over his tenure here. More playoff appearances than in the 30 years before him. One of the better winning % in baseball. I know you're going to complain about the last 3 years and you're right. However, not everyone is that short sighted and like it or not JR is going to give him a chance to fix it. If the young players show progress he will be around at least 2 years after this one. If the young players don't progress this organization is in a real bad situation. Hawk Harrelson-GM-era bad.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 01:05 PM) That standard though cannot be wins and losses, not after $25 million in salary cuts. That standard is all about development and setting up for 2013. Who are you going to build around in 2013 that isn't already on the 2012 roster? This isn't a young team and there is no bumper crop of youngsters in the wings.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 12:13 PM) I'll do it briefly. Cowley's agenda: 1. Cowley. 2. Destroy KW. 3. Ride in Ozzie's jetstream. 4. Discredit Tribune. For proof, read his columns and tweets. I note, though, that, despite the agenda, he is still often correct and does get info before others. I agree with this, but why does it anger Soxtalk so much? Why do people care about him destroying Williams when Williams himself has done such an awful job the last three years?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 12:05 PM) I'm not getting into it again with you. You know why, this board has told you a million times. No need to repeat what has already been said. Continue to play naïve, carry on carry on Fair enough. There is no reason.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 12:00 PM) Part 1: ask board why everyone doesn't like Cowley I'm asking you since you brought it up.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 11:54 AM) That's because you refuse to acknowledge his agenda. Its such a fun game you play! What is this agenda that so angers Soxtalk?

I'll never understand the hatred Cowley generates on Soxtalk.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) Cowley needs everyone to forget that the goal this year is rebuilding from last years debacle of a manager who had quit on his team. It's the only way he can call for KW to lose his job this year, when the years goal should really be rebuilding and recovering. So you get articles like this saying kw needs to be gone if the team isn't competitive and statements about how we need to forget all the previous staffs failures while still believing every negative thing the previous staff says about kw. Rebuild with what? If this current crop fails, the GM who has built the worst farm system in MLB should not preside over any rebuilding.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 10:50 AM) except i don't think this year has any bearing on KW's tenure. we're not expected to compete, so if we don't, he's still fine... If we don't compete it is because the team that KW assembled isn't very good. I don't see how he his job status can be thought of as safe.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) Beckham looks weak and in-between constantly. His machete swing is just awful. He'll be lucky to break .230 this season. Yep. He looks nothing like he did when he came up. He attacked the baseball with the vengence of a 3-hole hitter in the making. These days he looks every bit the part of a 9th place hitter. Let's give him the year though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 10:16 AM) Correct. Like "he was mad at the GM" is an excuse for a manager quitting on the team and throwing away ballgames. Both can be true, and there is an appropriate remedy for them...stop doing the mistake that caused the poor performance. Guillen has as much to do ith the 2012 White Sox as Jerry Dybzinski does. You continue to live in the past.

I disagree with his conclusion that they won't be contending with the Tigers in September, but there's no denying that Williams is on the spot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 07:20 AM) Morel also might well have struggled because he wasn't given a consistent role to adapt to. This is an excuse.

Problem is, it's impossible to say what the optimal Sox lineup is. For that reason, I can't judge Ventura on his lineup construction.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) Santiago's definitely one of the top 3 candidates for the rotation next year. I don't see this as the case at all.

My view is the bullpen sets up best with two right-handed 7th-8th inning guys such as Crain and Reed. If Santiago can't close the next option might be Reed if Jones shows enough to move up to that 7th-8th inning guy. If not, Thornton closes, Santiago takes Thornton's spot and Reed remains as 7th-8th inning guy. A lot of moving parts.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) Wow. Isn't Danks suppose to be our ace. Have to show confidence in him. He could have handled 8 and 9 in the order. Maybe take him out for Kinsler but at least Danks could have handled their 8-9 hitter. Danks isn't an ace on a contending team.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 03:03 PM) so the white sox and ozzie loving homer is now a cynic? give me an effing break. Ozzie loving?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) Stop. C+ is above average. I don't understand the anger.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) 78 pitches through 6IP 3ER 6K against the RANGERS on Opening DAY? that's a f***ing Quality Start. You take that any day of the week. Or don't you remember Buehrle's typical opening day explosions? C+?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 02:54 PM) you're a tool. What do you think Danks grade should be?

Danks gets a C+ for his outing, shouldn't start next inning.

Lewis looks pretty hittable.

Marlins park is ok, guess I'm not a fan of HOK architecture