Marty34

What's their rotation in 2013?

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) Because pitching was clearly the problem this year? The pitching staff needs to be addressed this offseason or they are looking at a Indians-like rebuilding period beginning in 2013.

Forget about the offense, it's the pitching staff that needs to be rebuilt ASAP. Whatever tradable assets they have should be focused on the staff.

Twins SS just handled a pop-up to center . . .

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) That's mostly because the LF can't field and doesn't call people off so he never knows if he's about to be run over. No fair blaming him for Pierre being bad. No, same problem with pop ups to center.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:43 PM) It will be interesting to see how that effects the results. I believe in some metrics, I also beleive in the eye test. Alexei could win the GG every year, but he makes too many plays like the 2 he made tonight. Its going to happen once in a while, but he is so afraid of baserunners its almost pathetic. Afraid to go back on pop ups too. Four or five dropped in that should not have.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) 75% of overturned death penalty convictions involve overturning eewitness testimony. Metrics are a lot more reliable than your eyes. Not when it comes to shortstop play.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) No he hasn't. Pick your metric. They all disagree. Defensive metrics are unreliable.

Ramirez just doesn't pay attention to detail. He's had a bad year defensively.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 06:01 PM) I agree with Balta here. You're not getting a Brett Lawrie, a Mike Trout, or a Matt Moore back for anything we have to dangle. Floyd doesn't compare with Marcum?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) The pitching staff, particularly in terms of starters, is the team's biggest strength. That is what you want to rebuild? Yes. I want to have a championship-level pitching staff in place by the time the big contracts are off the books 2014-15.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 05:42 PM) If you want a good return then you're not getting back players who can contribute in 2012. If you want players who can contribute in 2012, you're getting a weak return. I think you can have a mixture. Quentin and Danks value is lower because of free-agency in 2013. If the Yankees go out in the first round, I'd imagine they'd give up a decent amount for him. Particularly if the Red Sox were in the bidding as well.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) And with the first pick in the 2013 MLB draft, the White Sox select????????? You don't think you can get a good return for the players I'd trade?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) I wasn't necessarily looking for specific player names... more, what positions are you trying to upgrade? Because your team as stated has a bunch of downgrades and no upgrades. Only way that works is if you think Lillibridge can do better overall than Alexei, and if you think the great majority of players will bounce back and improve next year. Rebuild the pitching staff mostly through those trades. If Beckham, Rios, and Dunn don't hit again next year they aren't winning anything with Danks, Floyd, Ramirez anyway. If they do hit, I believe they'd at least be able to contend while rebuilding their staff. Lillibridge doesn't have to stay at short, but it would be where he would be the most useful.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) Pretty sure the salary of that team would be substantially higher than the 2011 roster. Deal them for who/what? Which of those positions are you going to upgrade? Hopefully SS, because Lillibridge would likely be a disaster there. Without whomever you get back in a deal, that is basically the 2011 team except a severe downgrade at SS, a downgrade in the rotation, and a bunch of holes in the bullpen. Deal them for who or what I do not know. The best package you can get is the easy answer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) I think they start off with the loser of Stewart/Sale as their 6th starter/lead starter in AAA. That may be true, but if Sale starts the season in the minors for any reason, they aren't in the running for anything.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) Thats a last place team Marty. I would rather keep some of the guys you suggested we trade and just let Buehrle go Depends on the package of players they could get back for the group I want traded. I suspect it would be pretty good.

LF De Aza SS Lillibridge 1B Konerko DH Dunn RF Viciedo CF Rios C AJ/Flowers 2B Beckham 3B Morel Rotation: Buehrle, Peavy, Sale, Humber, Stewart Pen: Reed, Crain, Ohman Deal: Danks, Ramirez, Santos, Floyd, Quentin, and Thornton

My guess is that the contract will be less than what Guillen wants. What's interesting of course is that Williams is out of the loop here, which is a good thing.

Marc Silverman reported on his radio show this morning that chairman Reinsdorf will make a contract offer to Guillen when the team returns home.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) Oh, these are bad ideas? I wasn't aware. Don't make me tell you how empty Pierre's OBP is, even with his dramatic improvement from June onward. A lead off hitter who can't get into scoring position with either his bat OR his legs isn't really getting the job done. If ONLY Pierre was the biggest problem.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) This is ridiculous. Dunn's contract was a relative bargain compared to the market. Might still be better than Werth's contract when all is said and dunn. Dunn might very well be finished.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) Whatever happens with the front office changes in the offseason, it's been made pretty clear this year, to me at least, that KW doesn't have all of the roster control powers normally bestowed upon a GM. There's nothing that leads me to believe that he does not. Bigger problem is, Kenny making spur of the moment decisions when he's angry. Wanting to get rid of Pierre and Walker. I wonder if his anger at Nationals GM, Mike Rizzo, at the trade deadline last year is the reason Hudson is in Arizona.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 10:11 AM) Guillen is responsible for these guys once they get here. It should sound alarm bells when guys with proven track records fail once they get to Chicago. Guillen is responsible for no playoff appearances in the last three years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) The biggest issue with this post is that since coming up...Viciedo and De Aza have provided exactly that level of production. And they have lost ground in the central.