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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) If KW is ordered to give Ozzie the roster he wants though... If that's the case, Guillen deserves more credit for the World Series title.

No-shows again. Come on people.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) And the Tigers going on a massive streak has everything to do with that. The Sox are winning at a higher percentage with Viciedo and De Aza in the lineup than they were prior to it. Point is they were never going to win with the production they got from the albatross contracts regardless of what they did to work around it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) Again, tallest midget syndrome. He should've been benched for Dayan months ago. Or at least seen a reduction in playing time. But there were no circumstances aside from injury that would've seen that come to fruition. Dunn, Rios, and Pierre benched. That leaves one spot open with De Aza and Viciedo playing regularly. By the way, the team has lost ground in the standings since De Aza and Viciedo have been playing regularly.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) He's a #9 hitter/4th OF. A player of his caliber shouldn't be in the top 10 in PAs. You'd bench your 2nd highest obp guy?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) If you watch Pierre, you know his skill-set makes him rely on others far too much to end up scoring a run. The White Sox need to be a team based around hitting home runs, plain and simple. Sure, but the entire team needs to be overhauled. The idea that that this pitching staff was good enough to win is absurd too. I was as critical of Pierre as anyone and don't want him back next year, but he was one guy who played exactly as expected. He's not in the top 10 reasons they're 9.5 out.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:36 PM) You don't need Sabermetrics to know that JP has a limited skill-set and shouldn't be accumulating anywhere near 700 PAs a season. That's the thing. If used correctly, he could be an asset. But not with Ozzie. Jerry Owens would've gotten 600+ PAs in '08 had he not gotten hurt. Define "use him correctly"? People here have Dunn and Rios on the bench. There are only 25 roster spots.

SABRmetrics has jumped the shark. If you watch and understand the game you know Pierre did his job. You also know that the Tigers are simply better than the Sox.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) You're assuming that they considered the way the season turned out to be a real possibility. I know if you told me what happened this season before it started I would have probably laughed in your face. All of our arbitration eligible players and excess bullpen arms are very trade-able, so that could easily cut a huge chunk out of our payroll should they decide to go that route. I remember reading a quote from Schueler after the White Flag trade where he said he just didn't like that team anymore. That's where I am with this group. With the exception of Sale, there isn't a player on the roster that I'd be upset losing.

This team is not going to contend next year with the bullpen intact. They need to deal Thornton and Santos to to upgrade the overall talent and Sale will be in the rotation. A very tall order to do all that and and then put together a solid pen.

He should be in the lineup everyday against LH at least to start the year. I want to see what he can do on the IF, don't think he's had enough chances to say for certain he can't play there. OF would be fallback.

QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) You know what would be better, if you dressed like Waldo and just sat somewhere in the stadium and the first person to find you got beer.. Was my second choice, Papa Tru. Can't make it easy, have ya seen the price of beer?

Beers of World in LF Saturday 2nd inning, I'll buy the first person who says "Hey Marty!" a beer. I'll be in red, white, & blue Sox hat. See you there. (Mods if you could pin this . . .)

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) So the platoon is De Aza and Lillibridge. Got it. I would hate to be able to judge if Lillilbridge could hit RHP and De Aza LHP consistently because we would hate for them to be overmatched in September and give an indication for 2012. Maybe Rios will hurt himself looking a fool against a 88 MPH "heater" down the middle again I don't get this.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) This is utterly absurd. Why in the heck is he playing so much? Because he's an integral part of the team's future.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) Nah, that's the 2012 and 2013 offenses. Disagree, but either way '13 is shaping up bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) Sez the fan of the manager who refused to play kids over vets... I'm a fan of this manager? News to me.

Well, you're likely going to have to clear more payroll than just Danks to resign Buehrle. Aside from the bad contracts, the 2013 rotation is the biggest issue facing this team.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) This is bafflingly stupid. So much can change over the course of one year. Hell, Peavy could return to full form, we could resign Danks or Buehrle, etc. The Yankees must be sweating bullets about their 2013 rotation. You must be the type that never plans for the future.

The projected 2013 rotation is not something any of us should be comfortable with. If action isn't taken this offseason to strengthen it, the assets to fix it will have diminished significantly by the 2012 offseason.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) C'mon Marty. You want to trade Santos and make who the closer? Everyone knows, from year to year, every closer is basically a gamble, by definition...unless it's Mo Rivera, Nathan, Hoffman in their primes, Valverde this year. You could have the perfect rotation, the offense clicking 100% and the team might still come up short because of the bullpen consistently imploding like it did during our 4-18 stretch. Without Thornton, Sale and Santos (and even Frasor), that bullpen suddenly becomes the team's biggest weakness, especially when Crain reverts back to his average performance trendline during his time in Minnesota and not how well he's pitched (for the most part) in 2010 and 2011. How do you do anything but enter a long rebuilding project starting in 2013 when the projected rotation is Sale, Floyd, Humber, Stewart.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) If that happens to actually be the 2013 rotation, it's total price tag will be $11 million. Counting what we paid to Edwin Jackson, this team spent ~$46 million on its starting rotation this year. I hear Cole Hamels and John Danks will be available that offseason. I don't like your plan. Too massive a gamble.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) I'm not worried about who the 6th starter is in 2013. Nor should you be. I'm worried about the 2nd starter in that group. You have a lot of faith in Stewart and Humber. Too much.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) As it stands now...Sale, Humber, Stewart, Floyd. Having 4/5 of a rotation penciled in for 2 seasons down the road is not a horrible position to be in. No depth.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) Yet you want to trade Danks, Floyd, Santos and Sale in one offseason? Not Sale.