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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) He's already there. Even if this isn't a worse-case scenario, Derrick is a high-risk injury in waiting whenever he takes the court. So you think like I do that they should tear this roster down and hope you get lucky in the lottery.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) It isn't that easy to get that type of star. The Bulls were horrible a long time and couldn't draft one. The just got lucky with the lottery. Agreed, but in the NBA you don't have much of a choice. Maybe there will be a couple year period after LeBron retires where a team with no star wins it.

Is there any difference as to how the Bulls should proceed with the building of the team if this is a 6-8 week injury as opposed to a season ending one? The disheartening thing about this injury to me is that it could put Rose in the dreaded "injury prone" category and as such would mean that he should not be the guy to build the team around.

Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way.

Everything has to go right to build your team around a 6'2" PG, even one as skilled as Rose was before the injury. Tear it up and get your star asap, I don't see any other way.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 08:40 PM) Seems like an absolute steal for the Tigers, even if they have to eat $30-40M. Kinsler is a good bat at a position where good bats are very hard to find. Fielder is getting older and slower and plays a position where bats are more plentiful. Kinsler will be an albatross for the Tigers.

Now that Texas has cleared it's middle infield glut, Ramirez to Cardinals might be more of a possibility.

If Felder's contract can be moved I'm even more hopeful that the Sox will find a taker for Danks.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 07:25 PM) Miggy back to 1B, loads of money saved. Extending Scherzer? Get in the market for Choo too perhaps?

Saw something on MLB Network. Interesting stuff.

Wait, the possibility of a team taking on a bad contract giving up next to nothing in return never happens.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) I don't think you understand how team rebuild their cores. I'd love to hear your plan.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) I don't understand how you could come to such a conclusion. I don't think Quintana is untouchable and that's just Hahn blowing smoke but cutting payroll and keeping Sale/Q/Avisail are not mutually exclusive events. If they do both they add years to the rebuild.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) Way to ignore what has already happened in the last five months. Explain.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) Get away with what exactly? You've made about a half a dozen unrelated non sequitors in this thread. Cutting payroll after you lose 99 games with an added $25M from national TV AND then say we're keeping Sale, Quintana, Garcia when there is so little on the farm to supplement them. They can't do both which is why I think there's gamesmanship going on by Hahn.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 12:35 PM) The Sox just started cutting payroll. Your cause and effect are about 5 years apart now, and completely unrelated. Other than that it makes perfect sense. Can't get away with it when they lose 99 games.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) I understand and it's a little brash to compare, but to suddenly jump to conclusions and spend money simply because you hired a crook isn't rational. The only thing you can do is try to correct the initial mistake and move on from there. Spending $15-20 million on free agents because Wilder embezzled money is merely adding fuel to the fire. How is it adding fuel to the fire? They can afford to patch over their mistake by signing a couple of free agents over the next two years and by not cutting payroll.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 10:59 AM) Obviously the Sox should have had ESP and should be punished for not doing so. Instead, it's better to pass the punishment for their mistake on to the fans by cutting payroll when their farm system isn't producing.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 10:14 AM) They made multiple $250K+ signings last year and a $1M+ signing this year in Latin America. The Wilder scandal was a knife wound to the chest, but signing mediocre to bad free agents to multi-year, multi-multi-million dollar contracts to fix a problem that occurred 7 years ago is absurd, ridiculous, and it outright does not make sense. That's similar to saying that the Sox need to make another trade this offseason to make up for the failed experiment that was Nick Swisher, or that they need to trade for a starter to replace Jon Garland because they traded him to LAA for Orlando Cabrera. No, they don't, because it happened forever ago. Let bygones be bygones With all due respect, when a team's former player personnel director is in jail because he embezzled funds by finding players who had no chance of playing in the majors, that's a little different than a bad trade here or there. Of course, signing a guy like Salty and adding another player next year is not the preferred way, but the organization made its bed when it hired Wilder.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 07:55 PM) They are; I'm no expert, but from what I understand, there are now limits in place for what you can spend in any given year? That's fine going forward, but the Sox have to fix the problem that the criminal mismanagement of the farm system has caused with the current roster. I would say it cost them two core players, not stars necessarily, but say regulars. They should be willing to find those players via free agency.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 07:05 PM) I think this was always applying the criteria that this would be wise. No, but I do think given the criminal mismanagement of the minor league system (Dave Wilder) that the organization is now paying for they should be more willing to use some of that enormous equity to dig their way out of this hole.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) I don't think anyone disputed that, like ever. Earlier in the thread.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 06:53 PM) There is a correlation, but it isn't necessarily strong. If you concede that, on what basis are you arguing that the $10 million should be spent? To achieve what? Not arguing it should be spent. Arguing that they can spend it if they want to.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 06:46 PM) You don't seem to answer counter arguments. You just move the goalposts. Was your counter argument that there is no correlation to payroll and winning? I thought that was common knowledge.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 06:26 PM) Again, if the correlation was stronger between payroll and performance, it would be a stronger case. And that's the Sox problem. It's never been money. Their goal is to build a competitive team and hope it gets a few breaks. It's been a great strategy for the investors over the last 30+ years, but not so much for the fans.