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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 8, 2013 -> 09:21 PM) Told guys to stay away from Ridley and any NE RB as they get benched quite often and are fool's gold. No one listened. Also 2nd year QB's usually take a step back so unless you play in a 2QB league, there are better options out there. Roddy White almost didn't play today, someone should've done their homework there. But he was listed as active. No one is gonna bench your number 1 WR, which White is on about every team, for some scrub on the bench. But yeah he didnt work out

Such a bs call on that late hit to setup the jets but that was funny.

Yeah, not that he has a had a remarkable game or anything, but instead I have Lance Moore and Roddy White who have given me a combined 4 points in a PPR. Great.

Why did I bench Stevie Johnson

Ugh hard to watch...

Announcers, stfu. Maybe not a fumble but he was not in.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 7, 2013 -> 06:05 PM) Never doubt Vegas I took Cincinnati big. I dont care. I mean what the hell is going on? How much did Vegas pay the bearcats?

Not sure that Vereen is a safe play at all. He can easily net you 0 points. Also, yeah I wish I had a backup AB on my roster to sit Cam.

I won't watch out of protest since Jeff Keppinger is actually batting 3rd in a major league baseball lineup. Then again I guess we should appreciate that at this point. Between this and activating Ramon, we are really going for it all.

MVP!

I read an article that said expect McCann to get between 60 and 70 million. Teams don't see him as a catcher past two years.

If Pence is actually a target, Garcia needs to play every last game in CF. But yeah, I totally see us going all in on McCann.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 6, 2013 -> 03:12 PM) Yet there have been more catchers than that that have been less valuable and actually hurt their teams more in fewer plate appearances. I could get 50 ABs from the White Sox from the catcher position, and I would literally cost them every single game, but at least I don't have as many ABs as Flowers does so I would be a better option. That is the argument you are making. If he was hurt? Then the struggles make sense. What's Phegley's excuse? That he's a rookie and only has 165 plate appearances? Then in all reality, he's pretty much had the exact same chance as Flowers has as a full time starter. You're right, he should have said something to Herm, and he did, which is why he was on the pitchers' shoulder program. Rehab didn't work over the course of the season, so they cut it open. He admitted that having the starting job and trying to prove that he could handle it was the biggest motivator in hiding how much it was affecting him. If you had your dream job on a silver platter, I imagine you'd do what you could to try and secure it too. Oh, and I'm going to bet that Flowers is going to remain in the majors for a while. When there are teams like the Marlins running out guys like Jeff Mathis, Kyle Skipworth, Miguel Olivo, Koyie Hill, and Rob Brantly, then there are going to be teams who will take on a catcher like Flowers. "Somehow had a nice second half." That's total bull and you know it. He had a fantastic second half and they play 2 halves. He struggled in the beginning but started to come on when he started to receive more playing time. The fact is, he was one of the Sox best hitters in the second half of last year. Point is, there's no reason to get rid of him unless someone else comes on board. I think we've all made that pretty clear. Oh, and I really don't see how I'm coming to the defense of Flowers. I don't see how anyone has. If he's not back, I really don't think anyone's going to be upset. It's you who tries to discredit any and everything Flowers has ever done by using irrational and, at times, illogical arguments to make your point. So, if and when the Sox strike out on McCann in the offseason, and the Sox are trotting out Phegley and Flowers again next year, I'm not going to be surprised. Hey look, an actual rebuttal. There we go. Okay, no matter what you think of Flowers, he has hurt this team negatively. Baseball Reference has a mere 100 players less valuable than him this season out of 1150 players. Fangraphs, 130 worse. Either way, not a pretty picture. I'm not going to sit here and argue whether he's bottom tier or second bottom tier. It's just bad. Phegley's excuse is that he's younger and performed on some level this year. That's why you move forward with him over Flowers. That said, he shouldn't feel comfortable with the starting job either. He did have a nice second half. Well, actually just a beast August and nothing else of note. But we shouldn't be making key future decisions based solely on a few week stretch when he hasn't shown much else at all. You're right, no reason to get rid of him unless we bring someone else on board. But I would put those odds very very high. Waiting on A 27 right handed backup catcher makes no sense moving forward, no matter what our plan is. Meant for this to be longer but I'm on mobile and my thumb hurts.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 6, 2013 -> 02:57 PM) I said he hasn't been very good. Who's defending him? And your second line is hilarious. Using it as an excuse, faking it, whatever... your obsession with the guy is just weird. So instead of keeping on attacking me, can you maybe provide some actual value on the discussion instead? Is that too much to ask?

QUOTE (woodstox @ Sep 6, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) It was never playpeople w up much in articles, but his shoulder "barking" has been mentioned off and on throughout the season by Ventura and Parent (especially when Phegley was called up). This isn't something that just sprung up out of nowhere, it's been an issue all year. I feel like Robin's playing a little defense now that he got questions about it. I don't understand why some people just have it out for the guy. Some of you seem to be actively rooting for him to fail. So people have it out for a player by pointing out how awful he is? There must be a lot of people who have it out for Ramon Troncosco then.

QUOTE (Northox72 @ Sep 6, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) Did Flowers sleep with your girlfriend or something? I've never seen a poster so determined to eviscerate a player as you with Tyler. It's downright bizarre. I mean, he hasn't been very good. No os arguing otherwise. But now you think he's faking an injury? Bizarro. Did he blow you or something? Why come to the defense of such a s***ty player? I never said he's faking an injury right now. He's just using it as an excuse for his past s***tiness.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 6, 2013 -> 02:53 AM) Ok who wins this trade.... Adrian Peterson and Colin Kaepernick for Aaron Rodgers and DeMarco Murray 1st guy

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) There have been 10 CATCHERS who have had atleast 100 plate appearances who have had WORSE seasons in the majors this year than Flowers, let alone other s***ty position players and pitchers, and one of those 10 has been the White Sox starter for better part of the second half. And he did that with possible tears and frays in his shoulder too (which makes it sounds like a sad song was playing in that thing all year long). There's been just 30 worse players than him among players with as many plate appearances. Only one catcher has had a worse OPS (I'm shocked there is one). Sure, he's no Jeff Keppinger, but I'm shocked someone is trying to rationalize his performance. If he was hurting as bad as he says he was, he would and should have said something to Herm. Either way he's at fault. This new excuse certainly sounds like a last grasp to stay in the major leagues. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) He was also a great backup catcher for the White Sox in 2012, was twice a top 100 prospect, once a top 60 prospect, and has a strong background in the minor leagues. He's worth another shot, and I hope he gets it from the Sox. "Great backup"? Do you even remember last year? Dude was f***ing awful for a good chunk of the season and was very lucky to have a roster spot coming back after the all-star break. He somehow had a nice second half and conned the front office in thinking he could become a starter, a decision that would prove to be disastrous if we weren't so awful elsewhere. His prospect rankings are meaningless, but you know that. He is not deserving of a second shot, and certainly not from the Sox where if we are gonna take a chance on someone, it's Phegley. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) Instead of using a rational thought process regarding Tyler Flowers, you let your mind go to the most extreme state possible without considering anything else. Maybe, at the end of the day, all Tyler Flowers becomes is a AAAA, journeyman, minor league fodder, organizational player who bounces between the majors and minors until he quits. Maybe he's actually a starter in the form of a Chris Snyder or Russell Martin or Mike Napoli. Maybe it's somewhere in between. But, instead of using blind thought and declaring him one of the worst players in the majors - he was bad, but not nearly among the worst, and that's WITH this shoulder injury - maybe you should take a step back and do a little research into the matter before making these absurd statements. And maybe you should stop coming blindly to the defense of a horrible MLBer. He's had his chances. More than enough of one. It's time to move on. This seems clear to just about everybody else.

Anyone got any specific date ideas in the southwest burbs that aren't dinner or a movie? Preferably something not too expensive. I'm bored.

Q is on the mound I believe

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 06:30 PM) http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox-talk/v...severity-injury This sounds like a late excuse to being one of the worst players in MLB. If I were him, I would do the same to try and salvage my soon to be over major league career.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 06:13 PM) Let's all keep in mind too that class rankings/player rankings mean absolute dick when it comes to results. Yeah, Illinois has a top 15ish class for the fourth time in five years and not a lot to show for it.

Yes, I would imagine being a top team with Egwu and Abrams as seniors pretty much no matter who surrounds them.

I think Snider is a heavy UCLA lean. I bet he was about to commit when JG somehow said whoa whoa whoa, you better look around first, and got him to move up a visit. I think Illinois has a lot better shot at Cliff than anyone is giving them credit for. Seems no one has anything concrete, especially when Cliff denies everything, so they are picking KU for him. All speculation of course.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2013 -> 04:31 PM) How is it any different? You're telling a guy (or strongly hinting to a guy) thatI he should leave because you have better players coming in and won't get playing time. They didn't have anyone coming in and you're completely speculating to begin with. It would take a special kind of stupid to tell someone like Mike Shaw to go elsewhere. I highly doubt Groce did that.