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QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) Reasons not to fire Tim Beckman: He actually has shown improvement this year. Sure, we've looked exceptionally bad the last few games, but we've also played a lot of the tougher teams on our schedule. With winnable games against PSU, IU, PU, and NU coming up on the schedule, we might just break that ugly losing streak. Despite our current recruiting class rating poorly, last years class was middle of the pack in the Big Ten, and he's also added Wes Lunt. Unlike Zook, he seems capable of recruiting defensive backs and actual offensive tackles. As an added bonus, he appears to be sitting pretty well with some good 2015 recruits. Firing Beckman is akin to a self imposed death penalty. We would be completely giving up on this years recruiting class, leaving us with 3/4 of the last recruiting classes as lost. I get that we don't have many/any highly rated recruits right now, but it would only get worse were Beckman to be fired. Nick Saban couldn't come in and win with such a broken program. We would have to pay yet another coach to be somewhere else. It's hard to say how well we'd be able to pay an incoming hire, but it certainly wouldn't be easier. I get that everybody wants to fire Beckman because we keep losing, badly. But, if/when Beckman gets fired, I want the next coach to come into a situation where he doesn't have about 10 seniors on the entire three deep. Our most experienced corner (who is currently injured) is a sophomore... Fire Banks as a sacrificial lamb this year, and see if Beckman can crawl his way to mediocrity. If he can't get there (or beyond in the next year or so), fire him then. Firing him now is just as bad as continuing to employ a "clearly in over his head who can only recruit MAC level coaches and players and get tackled by referees" coach for one more year. We would be guaranteeing ourselves a completely broken program instead of just maybe having one. Just my opinion. Flame away. 1. Stop saying this. Stop, stop, stop. It's absolutely meaningless when he's the one responsible for setting the bar so incredibly low. 2. You know it's bad when the only actual defense of him is one mediocre class. And this cant possibly hold up when everyone knows he's a lame duck coach. See: Zook, Ron. 3. No, a death sentence is hanging onto a coach too long when it's clearly time to move on. Every Illinois fan should know this by now. 4. Who cares? We won't be paying Zook and Beckman's buyout is cheap. Not to mention with Beckman at the helm, excitement and revenues have to be at an extreme low to the point where it makes financial sense to hire someone else.

It's definitely not true according to Scout Premium.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 28, 2013 -> 11:36 AM) But we are damn certain that Beckman is a boob and has zero chance of turning this around. That's why you fire him ASAP. BUT...BUT...KANSAS FIRED TURNER GILL AND HIRED CHARLIE WEIS!!! Both these terrible blog posts bring up that fact as if it has any meaning whatsoever. Turner Gill was awful, Weis is awful. Alright, who cares? We fire Beckman, the worst we can do is end up where we are now, not winning conference games and not being competitive. If we hire Weis, oh no, who cares. When you figure out you have the wrong guy, it's always best to move on as quickly as possible.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 27, 2013 -> 11:37 PM) It was actually a great article. Good points besides the fire breathing OMG FIRE THE COACH! people. Look, I railed Beckman as much as anyone here last year. And yeah, I don't think he's the guy for the long haul. But let's face it. They've improved, which is what we wanted, and minus a f***ing awful half against MSU, it hasn't been clown shoes this year. We have 5 BT games left, so there's a lot to be decided, good or bad. Beckman inherited one terrible football team. Everyone's flipping out over an awful half yesterday. One half does not a season make. We weren't going to beat Wisky or Nebraska, so what exactly is surprising so far? If they play dead the rest of the year, like yesterday's 2nd half, fine. But there's way too much football to say he's for sure gone. It couldn't be further from the truth, at this moment in time. To think it's a foregone conclusion is hilarious. No, what's hilarious, again, is that people keep citing "improvement" as some sort of reason to keep him around. The guy is maybe a genius, setting the bar so incredibly low for himself and the program that he may actually convince people to keep him around. We are not just losing games, we aren't being remotely competitive against a terrible Big Ten slate. It's really humorous just how bad they are, losing 3 conference games by an average of 28 games. Barring a bowl game appearance(lol), there's zero reason to go forward with who we all know is the wrong guy by now.

I named everyone immediately except for the Jizz Can. I'm glad I completely forgot about him.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 27, 2013 -> 05:41 PM) [urseason as justificationttp://www.thechampaignroom.com/2013/10/27/5034484/the-day-aapparently he-solution-isnt-that-easy"]http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2013/10/27...somehow -that-easy[/url] Terrible article there. I like how the author uses Beckman's ineptitude last season as justification to keep him around a third year. I mean what? Beckman has apparently set the bar incredibly low for himself that not winning Big Ten games is somehow meaningful improvement. That author is suffering from Stockholm syndrome, but even he ultimately agrees Beckman is going to need to go when we dont win another game.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 27, 2013 -> 09:44 PM) Good lord. What? What he said is 100% true. Beckman is done at Illinois if he can't win a Big Ten game, and rightfully so. He is very likely gone regardless.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 27, 2013 -> 12:06 AM) No way Tim Beckman gets a 3rd year. Yep.

QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Well, I controlled ill get binned just like everyone else but I would want Baez and Bryant (He wowouldn't ave to be a PTBNL). With those 2 and 1-2 lesser prospects I would find it hard to say no. Like Loxas said, will not happen but hey we can dream right? This would be a horrific deal for the Sox. The Cubs make no sense as a trade partner since they dont really have a young, cost costrolled all star position player. The Cubs could offer their top 8 prospects and Rick wouldn't bother to pick up the phone.

Jaylon Tate has looked really good so far in the scrimmage and exhibition. It's still early though, Brian.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) Watched Halloween 3 last night. One of most underrated horror movies of all time. This is one of the worst movies ever. So bad. I have no idea why it was ever even made.

Wow this Cardinals defense is horrendous. Like a little league team.

Cardinals choking hard. Three errors in 1.0 innings so far.

It's really not lopsided at all. Brett Lawrie isn't good and Sanchez will be fortunate to be as good as Quintana.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 23, 2013 -> 09:17 PM) illinoisloyalty.com cracks me up. Some guy posts a stupid picture of the chief logo with some comment like "everyone be happy" and the whole board thinks a commitment is coming. These are probably grown ass men acting like little school girls over a vague post. Sports fans are weird. It is such an awful website. Bunch of posters pretending to have inside info information and the ones that do are copy pasting from the scout premium board.

Our pitching depth is grossly overstated on this board. We should not be looking to trade Santiago or Q unless we bet blown away by an offer. You trade one, and a strength is no longer a strength.

Either the FA market is about to explode or the Giants love giving truckloads of cash to average players.

Black List is fantastic. It's worth watching for Spader alone. I wish it had a more overall story rather than a problem of the week setup, but thats a problem with a lot network tv shows. Other than that, it's a great show.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 22, 2013 -> 10:08 PM) This is now a Chase Headley thread not a rumor catch all. Doing God's work. Catch-alls are the worst, particularly during the offseason On Headley, I don't think the ten mil or so should be a major deal for us to help us plug a huge hole. We do have money to blow, pay for every cent. But yeah since it's only for a year, I dont want us giving up anything of note. And that probably means a deal isn't happening.

Next year's QB class is really deep and pretty good.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 21, 2013 -> 07:12 PM) 2005, the Orioles' offer was about $4,000,000 higher than the Sox offer. Angels offered more money too than the Sox.

Sox that Homeland twist

I bid ten bucks on Keppinger. Since I'm far and away the high bid, I now own him and forbid him from playing baseball again.

How is that not a huge risk? And hector has already panned out. This would be a terrible return.

Wow, worst call ever to screw the Patriots. Unbelievable.