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The Sox should have never leaked this. The optics look awful tonight with so many media members speculating that a manager no one wants here might not even want to stay here. If they were going to bring him back, then the deal should have been finalized before leaking anything.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:19 AM) If you want an idea how the White Sox FO really feels about the fanbase, read that follow up Nightengale piece. f*** this organization. Yep, what a joke. They have done everything in their power to push away their fan base this season. The reaction I have seen online by Sox fans today might as well have made this White Flag 2.0 in terms of upsetting Sox fans.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:58 AM) Fulmer is going to regress, Boyd is bad, and Zimmermann can't strike out anyone anymore, that deal isn't going to look good. Norris also

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 01:28 AM) The Tigers collapse is going to be prolonged and ugly. The dead contracts are going to just kill them. Some great moves last season has really helped their pitching future.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 11:31 PM) I actually considered the second scenario to some extent as well. No reason to fire a manager when the influx of talent they are building at the lower levels is still a bit of time away. Keep RV on the cheap for another year or so until the true deadline for a decision on the manager arrives. With that said, I'd be curious to hear the opinion of the MiLB junkies on this site as to how far the farm system has come in the past few years. I am encouraged by the more positive postings and feedback on the lower levels. Should we expect a true renaissance of the farm system. Has there been noticeable change and improvement over the past 3-5 years in Sox scouting, signings, and player development? If so, do RH and/or KW deserve credit for this anticipated improvement? If yes, is it possible the Sox are just trying to buy a little more time until the true plan comes to fruition? I'll hang up and listen for your answers. Thanks. In my opinion, the farm system had a dreadful season outside of the incoming draftees. No one really came out of nowhere to become a significant prospect.

Renteria was supposedly great with the young Cubs players

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) If true all you can do is shake your head. Mark And just reiterates to me that I don't want these decision makers deciding who they should get back in return for Sale

Also might have been waiting for Twins to not hire McLeod

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) The deal could have already been finished whenever ago, it's the announcement I think they timed. But to have Ricketts and Theo available to meet on such quick notice with the press? Hard to imagine

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) I might just have tunnel vision but the timing seems too close to be a coincidence. They see it as a marketing opportunity to dejected Sox fans, maybe? "Hey, while the other team is waffling about whether they want to rehire their hated manager, we just extended our front office Golden Boy." I doubt the Cubs care one bit about the Sox right now. Also, no way they could arrange the move this quickly with the Nightengale tweet a few hours ago.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Something we should ALL agree on. Very lackluster announcement that day they announced him as manager I will never forget cringing during his conference call when listening to it on the radio. I didn't even mind the hire at the time, but his lack of energy was startling

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Does the Sox brass live in a different reality than we do because I've seen 4 years of bad baseball and nothing has really improved one season to the next. The Sox are just as bad as they were in 2011. Of course they do, they thought Shields could actually succeed here

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) Scot Gregor thinks Robin will decline. Maybe this is a planned offer to come back for a year, he declines, and that's that. Everybody knows this should be a clean break. Spiegel seems to agree

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) Didn't he get into it with one of his starters? Sale cutting jerseys is on him, not anyone else. And according to RH at the season ticketholder event I was at, RV went ballistic on him, and RH said Sale will never do anything like that again. He said Robin's strength is also considered his weakness. He keeps the stuff in house. There can be a case for replacing him, but putting any blame on him for that incident is ridiculous. And the other s*** show as you call it? Didn't they start out 23-10? Hammel didn't like getting pulled early I believe, but it didn't escalate more than that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 08:07 PM) If Maddon can mean that many wins, I wonder how the 2014 Rays lost 85 games, and his first 2 seasons they lost 198. Players win games. The team was short. Robin has been around, his contract is up, they haven't won, it does seem like a time to move on, but, at least they aren't blaming the manager for not winning. There are going to be some drastic changes to the roster. On the field, I have read that even the best managers equate to 2-3 more wins. I think off the field is where Maddon is a genius, as he completely turned the culture of that team around.

I don't think Maddon would have allowed for the s*** show with Sale, Eaton, LaRoche to occur

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) I'm trying but its going to get harder and harder. One team is run to perfection and the other is a clown show. Never been more obvious that JR needs to sell

On the bright side, maybe Ventura will demand a 4 year deal. We know this organization will be too shy to go past 3 if last year is their new philosophy

Outside of loyalty, I have no idea why a casual Chicago sports fan would raise their kid a Sox fan instead of a Cubs fan right now.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) There is no way you fire a guy brought in to rebuild in the middle of the rebuild. Thought the same as you but Schefter seemed to doubt he's safe no matter what

Just an inept organization from the top to the bottom. As someone said, have fun drawing fans with Ventura around and Sale traded to Boston. Ventura is simply a terrible manager to go with a bottom 3 general manager.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 04:05 AM) If Albers somehow f***s this up I hope Chris Sale beats the s*** out of him. 6.35 ERA and on the roster the whole season. When is last time this happened?

QUOTE (Insp @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:33 AM) Why is 1b so important to you? Because Abreu is god awful defensively

QUOTE (Insp @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:02 AM) Why not? Rather get someone that can play a little 1b

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:18 AM) Morneau will be back Please no