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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) So Montas has one bad inning and now you want to give up on him as a starter? It's been clear that he's a big project and an unfinished product for a while now. Still too early to make that call. This board can be so reactionary at times. I've been saying this since I first saw him pitch on milb.com last year (maybe AFL?). Hope I'm wrong.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:25 PM) I still wouldn't deal Montas. Judging from today he still has development left as a starter. His value isn't exactly low given his talent, but he definitely has potential and if I'm another GM im asking for him, hoping the White Sox think of Montas as a bullpen guy so they'd get him cheaper. Bring him up to Charlotte next season and have him develop a consister offspeed pitch. Perhaps he could lose a little bit if his pudge too Is a consister offspeed pitch like in Major League 2 when Vaughn lets someone name his pitch if they can hit it?

Nice AB for Trayce

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) Young guys struggle. If Soxtalk was around after Robin Ventura's rookie year, they probably would have demanded his head as a player even louder than as a manager. I don't understand the concept of this guy isn't going to be any good so the Sox should be able to get something decent for him. Other teams know the players probably better than most of us, with the possible exception of posters who watch a lot of minor league baseball, yet they aren't professional scouts. Selling low on prospects makes little sense to me. Wouldn't be selling low at all on Montas and Johnson. For Johnson, there are teams out there that love their speedy guys who have good OBP. I don't think he's a good fit with the Sox going forward due to the need for improved defense. All it takes is one GM out there to think Montas can be a starter, and you can get very good value for him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) And this game is ova. Montas, Micah Johnson and Avi are the 3 non-veterans that should absolutely be trade bait this offseason if they have value.

Ugly, ugly inning. Regardless of how he looked this game, no way does Montas project as a starter.

Interesting stat is that Trayce so far is in the top 50 (out of 524 hitters) in average exit velocity. Avi is all the way down at 220. Over a 3 mph difference between them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 06:07 PM) It is a tough call honestly. I think Garcia has a higher ceiling, but that would take him relaxing his approach a bit at the plate, which I kind of doubt happens. I also think the overrating of Thompson is approaching Brian Anderson proportions lately on Soxtalk. I think ideally the guy is a 4th OF and platoon player, which is what we have seen him do very successfully here in a small sample size with the team. I think my choice would be none of the above, but If I had to pick... given contract statuses, options, and the like, I think I would go with Garcia, but with Thompson on the major league roster as my #4 OF. For me, I choose Thompson if it's between him and Avi. Reason being is that Avi would have to hit significantly better than he has in order to overcome his horrible defense. I just don't see that happening if he doesn't scratch his current batting stance/swing and start from the beginning. Trayce provides good defense, and even if he hits in the .230 range, he should hit for enough extra base hits to not kill you on defense. For a team that's supposed to be built on pitching, having a right fielder that can't judge a fly ball is a bad idea.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) But but he is a 30/30 guy ask KW Maybe they meant for his career and not just one season

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) Montas looks like he could be a set up guy next year but he really needs to develop a good change if he wants to start. Fastball command is pretty good but his off-speed pitch doesn't look like an out pitch to me. I'm the opposite, as I think his slider gets a lot more bad swings than his fastball.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) The emergence of Montas should allow them to save face on that trade and just dump him too. I feel like they've put so much stock into sticking with him despite his overall suckitude because he was our big return for Jake Peavy. Totally agree, I still think you can get a talented, yet underperforming player back for Avi.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) Man Avi is such a bad defender definitely someone they need to move this offseason, he just sucks

Montas' velocity down 2-3 mph with a runner on base.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 03:33 AM) You mean when Price signs with the Dodgers next season? Haha well done!

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 03:26 AM) I'm not sure, but I'm sure he's a Cub next year. I think the length of the contract will be the point of contention between teams. Has a team ever had both CY winners from the previous year on their roster?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 12:52 AM) Arrieta is due to get torched. There's no better scenario for me than Arrieta giving up 7 ER in WC game. His stuff is insane right now. Let's hope Cole is on his game

Duke representing the offseason from hell. At least Q keeps boosting his trade stock.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 01:28 AM) He is not much better than that stuff wise. Reaches 93, many scouts call his stuff electric

Nice swing

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 02:23 AM) How would Olt fare against a soft tosser? He's not a SOX product lol Norris isn't soft tosser

DJ and Farmer were pretty critical of Avi's crouch approach tonight

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 10:29 PM) The next two weeks will be filled with how the match up orientated Joe Maddon is perfect for the one game playoff where he can bring two starters, ten relievers and how his brilliance will shine. OMG, zoo day...the greatest thing ever. I'm sure we'll hear that the rest of the week on the radio.

Zobrist doesn't strike me as a guy who would sign with a team so far away from the playoffs.

Much better with the curve

Fastballs galore with Robertson