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Where the hell was that 1-2 pitch?

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:20 AM) Amazing.... Got the lead after struggling and were about to cough it up Hopefully Lillibridge messes up a bunt like he did when with the Sox

My man Veal, not good

Choo is Veal's kryptonite. De Aza's defensive struggles continue.

QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:09 AM) But see he can build off this which I think is a pretty exciting prospect. I think it was a pretty good hire just looking at this season alone. But with experience it should hopefully get much better. As I said earlier (and was saving for an end of year recap on Ventura), the fundamentals that he's brought to the team are severely underrated. I'm interested in looking at the stats for SB/CS for and against the Sox, as well as other stats. I do wonder if maybe it's time for Cooper to go elsewhere and let the manager actually manage?

Way to go Alexei! Best swing he's had in ages.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 03:06 AM) Its not over yet, and Im going home with the girl that brought me to the dance. And that's by far the biggest issue I've had with Ventura the last month. He's managing so much different than he was for the majority of the season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:01 AM) The problem is that on paper, our pitching staff really looks bad next season w/out Peavy. I mean really really bad. Laughably bad. Considering our recent history in free agency and lack of good pitchers out there anyway, next year could be one of the worst seasons we've experienced in a long long time. I disagree big time with this. When you have a Cy Young candidate as your #1 pitcher, you have a chance to have a solid pitching staff.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:00 AM) PK will save us Yeah right, but his bat toss form was very nice. Free Dan Johnson!

Nice catch by Wise

QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:56 AM) Seems like this team is completely worn out which is why I wont be that unhappy if we dont make the playoffs. I think the pitching staff is tired and our hitters are banged up. Robin seems to be going through some issues. Stuff like that happens in a baseball season. If we dont make it hopefully we improve and can make a run next year.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:55 AM) They won't If you are going to bunt for a run in the fourth how is Veal not in the game with the bases loaded in the 4th then bring him in for the 5th....... I guarantee it's because he didn't want to then have Veal face Lillibridge.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:55 AM) Bring in more AAA pitchers!!! It's Veal...let him finish this game

Baron, question for you (since you know I respect your opinion): how would you evaluate what's going on with the Sox the last few weeks?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:50 AM) Where did I argue that it was the right call? You cant even address the argument. The Sox were picked to be under 500. Robin has them competing for the playoffs. You want to fire a guy over a month of bad decisions in his first pennant race. That to me is a foolish knee jerk decision. Its like giving a lawyer fresh out of law school a million dollar case and then firing him because he made mistakes. No s*** he makes mistakes, its his first time ever coaching at any level, let alone it being a pennant race. Complain about the Sox hiring him if you want, but they thought that this team wasnt going to compete. Remember "Respect the game" was the tagline because they thought this team was going to be brutal. I never said they should fire him. He's actually done a lot of good for this organization in terms of fundamentals (holding runners being the biggest). I do think he's let the pressure of the pennant race absolutely get the best of him. With that said, I wouldn't be upset if he decided he didn't like managing and the Sox were able to bring in a more veteran manager.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:48 AM) This managing is unbearable. yes bunt to get to that situation in the f***ING fourth inning. The man is way over his head right now. He'll probably say he wanted to avoid the double play since De Aza hit into that one yesterday.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 02:48 AM) WHY ARE YOU BUNTING AFTER THE LEADOFF WALK?!!! If the Tigers make the playoffs, do you think Ventura gets a playoff share from them?

Awful...team still struggling like crazy with RISP

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:43 AM) They are fluid for arm chair Quarterbacks. I would hope they are not for million dollar corporations who had very low expectations this year and Robin has exceeded them all. You're right, everyone thought the move to go with Omogrosso against Kipnis was a great decision and the Sox just got unlucky.

For example, I hate the bunt call here. You have a pitcher with no control who's struggling to get lefties out. Not only that, do you really expect the relievers to hold the Indians down for 5 more innings? Ventura likely would have never bunted in that same situation early in the season.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:40 AM) Its his first year managing, there are going to be growing pains. How many of you thought the Sox would be contending this year? People need perspective. It's game 155. He should know by now how to read scouting reports and not bring in a crappy AAA reliever to face someone who's significantly better against righties than lefties (especially when you have 3 lefties in the pen). The Ventura implosion has been going on for almost a month now with decisions that defy almost all logic.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:37 AM) Robin is in way over his head. This is terrible. Do you think Hawk will ever criticize Ventura and Cooper for shuffling the rotation around to play match-up, as he warned against it a few weeks ago with his Alvin Dark comment? All of the rotation changes have been a huge bust.

Nice job escaping at least and keeping the game tied.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:36 AM) Stop nibbling!!! He has mediocre stuff. When he throws his curve over the plate, it's a hanger a lot of the time.

QUOTE (C_LEE45 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 01:34 AM) 5-4 tiger WTF Leyland managing a fantastic game