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2013 White Sox Grades

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Since it seems unlikely anything could happen this week that would significantly change these grades, here it is:

 

C. Sale-A

J. Crain-A

J. Quintana- A-

H. Santiago- B+

J. Peavy- B

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Garcia- B

A. Rios- B

A. Reed- B-

M. Thornton- B-

A. Ramirez- B-

N. Jones- C+

C. Gillaspie- C+

A. De Aza- C+

D. Viciedo- C

G. Beckham- C

A. Rienzo- C

A. Dunn- C

D. Veal- C-

J. Keppinger- D

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- D

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- D

 

R. Ventura- D

D. Cooper- B-

J. Manto- D

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C. Sale- A+

J. Crain- A+

J. Quintana- A

H. Santiago- A-

A. Garcia- B+

J. Peavy- B

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Rios- B

M. Thornton- B-

M. Thornton- B-

A. Ramirez- B-

A. De Aza- B-

A. Rienzo- C+

C. Gillaspie- C+

D. Viciedo- C

G. Beckham- C

A. Dunn- C

N. Jones- C-

A. Reed- C-

D. Veal- D

J. Phegley- D

D. Axelrod- D

J. Keppinger- F

P. Konerko- F

T. Flowers- F

 

R. Ventura- F-

D. Cooper- B+

J. Manto- D-

 

 

Close to agreeing. Changed some around

Edited by Buehrle>Wood

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 04:09 PM)
Since it seems unlikely anything could happen this week that would significantly change these grades, here it is:

 

C. Sale-A

J. Crain-A

J. Quintana- A-

H. Santiago- B+

J. Peavy- B

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Garcia- B

A. Rios- B

A. Reed- B-

M. Thornton- B-

A. Ramirez- B-

N. Jones- C+

C. Gillaspie- C+

A. De Aza- C+

D. Viciedo- C

G. Beckham- C

A. Rienzo- C

A. Dunn- C

D. Veal- C-

J. Keppinger- D

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- D

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- D

 

R. Ventura- D

D. Cooper- B-

J. Manto- D

I would change Quintana to a B+.

Santiago B

Lindstrom B-

Nate Jones C-

Veal D

Phegley C-

Konerko C-

Otherwise, pretty good.

C. Sale-A-

J. Crain-C

J. Quintana- A-

H. Santiago- A-

J. Peavy- C+

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Garcia- B-

A. Rios- C

A. Reed- B

M. Thornton- C

A. Ramirez- C-

N. Jones- B-

C. GillaspieD+

D. Viciedo- D+

G. Beckham- D-

A. Rienzo- B+

A. Dunn- C-

D. Veal- D+

J. Keppinger- F

J. Phegley- D-

T. Flowers- D-

P. Konerko- F

D. Axelrod- D

 

R. Ventura- F

D. Cooper- B

J. Manto- F

 

Fathom, you were much more generous than I was.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 10:21 PM)
Fathom, you were much more generous than I was.

 

I definitely considered giving Keppinger/Konerko/Ventura/Manto an F. Keppinger and Konerko were two of the worst 5 hitters in all of baseball this year according to fangraphs' WAR.

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Balta, what's with the extremely low grade for Beckham?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 06:27 PM)
Balta, what's with the extremely low grade for Beckham?

If he was just any player he'd be right on the border of having played himself into being non-tendered this offseason. His defense is getting worse, his range is going down, and at the time of the year when the excuse I was making for him the whole season, his wrist injury, should have been getting better, he fell apart again. He would have played himself into about a C if he'd kept at least getting hits at a reasonable rate, but his year is borderline terrible again.

C. Sale-A

J. Crain-A

J. Quintana-B+

A. Garcia- B

H. Santiago- B-

C. Gillaspie- C+

J. Peavy- C

M. Lindstrom- C

A. Rios- C

M. Thornton- C

N. Jones- C

D. Viciedo- C

A. Rienzo- C

G. Beckham- C-

A. De Aza- C-

D. Veal- C-

A. Reed- D+

A. Dunn- D+

A. Ramirez- D

J. Keppinger- D

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- D

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- D

 

Ventura D

Cooper B-

Manto D

Edited by Marty34

On a scale out of 100 being the best:

 

 

C. Sale- 98

J. Crain- 94

J. Quintana- 87

A. Garcia- 85

H. Santiago- 83

A. Ramirez- 83

A. De Aza- 83

C. Gillaspie- 80

G. Beckham- 80

J. Peavy- 79

M. Lindstrom- 79

A. Rios- 79

M. Thornton- 77

N. Jones- 77

D. Viciedo- 77

A. Rienzo- 76

P. Konerko- 75

D. Veal- 73

A. Reed- 73

A. Dunn- 73

J. Keppinger- 69

J. Phegley- 67

T. Flowers- 66

D. Axelrod- 48

 

Ventura- 65

Cooper- 87

Manto- 74

It's like everyone forgets Beckham is one of the worst players in the AL.

I'll just say some of these grades are insane.

Edited by TaylorStSox

Also, my sad preseason projections.

Chicago White Sox- 86-76, 2nd place in AL Central

 

Pitching

1. Sale- 18-12, 3.02

2. Peavy- 16-10, 3.19

3. Quintana- 12-8, 3.74

4. Santiago- 6-14, 3.88

5. Danks- 10-12, 3.86

SP Totals: 62-56, 3.54

Axelrod- 3-7, 4.85

Jones- 6-2, 3.37

Crain- 2-4, 2.67, SV

Veal- 3-0, 4.33

Thornton- 2-6, 3.45

Lindstrom- 6-0, 2.99

Reed- 2-1, 3.44, 42 SV

RP Totals: 12-20, 3.66

Batting

Flowers- .207, 18/37

Konerko- .267, 18/61

Dunn- .212, 43/92

Beckham- .266, 7/45

Ramirez- .281, 15/74

Keppinger- .272, 8/53

Viciedo- .262, 27/76

De Aza- .267 15/50

Rios- .277, 20/78

Batting Totals: .257, 171/566

Edited by ChiSoxFan05

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 12:12 AM)
It's like everyone forgets Beckham is one of the worst players in the AL.

 

Other than Sale, Crain, Quintana, Santiago, Garcia and Reed (for about 4 1/2 months) I'd fail every one of them.

 

And don't forget Award For Special Achievement: Kenny Williams.

 

He is the architect of this disaster.

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Can't believe I forgot J. Danks...I'd give him a C

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 06:34 PM)
Can't believe I forgot J. Danks...I'd give him a C

I know... when I copied and pasted yours I realized that we were missing 20% of our starting staff

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 05:09 PM)
Since it seems unlikely anything could happen this week that would significantly change these grades, here it is:

 

C. Sale-A

J. Crain-A

J. Quintana- A-

H. Santiago- B+

J. Peavy- B

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Garcia- B

A. Rios- B

A. Reed- B-

M. Thornton- B-

A. Ramirez- B-

N. Jones- C+

C. Gillaspie- C+

A. De Aza- C+

D. Viciedo- C

G. Beckham- C

A. Rienzo- C

A. Dunn- C

D. Veal- C-

J. Keppinger- D

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- D

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- D

 

R. Ventura- D

D. Cooper- B-

J. Manto- D

 

You can't pretty much lose 100 games with no F's.

 

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 07:06 PM)
You can't pretty much lose 100 games with no F's.

Without looking it up, Keppinger has about 15 xbh's in about 600 PA's. He makes up for it with awful defense. If that's not an F, I don't know what an F is.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 08:18 PM)
Without looking it up, Keppinger has about 15 xbh's in about 600 PA's. He makes up for it with awful defense. If that's not an F, I don't know what an F is.

And you can't make any reasonable excuses like he's still young or he wasn't expected to do more.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 06:18 PM)
Without looking it up, Keppinger has about 15 xbh's in about 600 PA's. He makes up for it with awful defense. If that's not an F, I don't know what an F is.

Probably more like 450 PA's. Yeah, most expected a lot better from him(I know I did) but an F is pretty harsh for someone who for a few pretty good stretches was the Sox' most consistent hitter. He had a couple of months where he hit over .300 and had a decent OBP too. I gave him a D.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 07:18 PM)
Without looking it up, Keppinger has about 15 xbh's in about 600 PA's. He makes up for it with awful defense. If that's not an F, I don't know what an F is.

 

At the very least, Kepp, Konerko, and Axe have to be F's, as well as Flowers.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 07:50 PM)
Probably more like 450 PA's. Yeah, most expected a lot better from him(I know I did) but an F is pretty harsh for someone who for a few pretty good stretches was the Sox' most consistent hitter. He had a couple of months where he hit over .300 and had a decent OBP too. I gave him a D.

 

I was figuring he'd be a little bit better but I'd be around the D to F range for him too. For crying out loud the guy had a higher batting average than on base percentage for 1/3 of the year.

 

Not too long ago someone made a job about having a below .400 slug% in slow pitch softball or something like that. One of the funniest posts of the season I thought!

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 04:09 PM)
Since it seems unlikely anything could happen this week that would significantly change these grades, here it is:

 

C. Sale-A

J. Crain-A

J. Quintana- A-

H. Santiago- B+

J. Peavy- B

M. Lindstrom- B

A. Garcia- B

A. Rios- B

A. Reed- B-

M. Thornton- B-

A. Ramirez- B-

N. Jones- C+

C. Gillaspie- C+

A. De Aza- C+

D. Viciedo- C

G. Beckham- C

A. Rienzo- C

A. Dunn- C

D. Veal- C-

J. Keppinger- D

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- D

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- D

 

R. Ventura- D

D. Cooper- B-

J. Manto- D

 

 

Too hard on Gillaspie, too easy on Veal...

 

Maybe Viciedo can be a C+ considering he was fighting injuries for part of the way, but then does that excuse Konerko? Not really.

 

What about your impression of Leury Garcia so far?

Sale. A

Q. A

Santiago. B

Danks. B-

Axelrod. C

Peavy. C

 

Flowers. F

Phegley. D

Konerko. D

Beckham. D

Alexei. C-

Gillaspie. B

Keppinger. F

Dunn. B-

Rios. B-

Tank. C

De Aza. C-

 

honestly didn't watch enough to give the bullpen fair grades

 

 

C. Sale-A-

J. Crain-B

J. Quintana- A

H. Santiago- B

J. Peavy- B+

M. Lindstrom- B-

A. Garcia- B

A. Rios- C

A. Reed- C

M. Thornton- D

A. Ramirez- C+

N. Jones- C

C. Gillaspie- B-

A. De Aza- C

D. Viciedo- D+

G. Beckham- B-

A. Rienzo- Inc.

A. Dunn- C-

D. Veal- C-

J. Keppinger- F

J. Phegley- D

T. Flowers- F

P. Konerko- D

D. Axelrod- F

 

R. Ventura- C

D. Cooper- A

J. Manto- F

 

R. Hahn - Inc.

 

Let the rebuild begin

Edited by daggins

Don't care for individual grades.

 

Team/coaching/organization grade: F

 

The White Sox are ratchet and busted.

Edited by Jordan4life

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