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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:34 PM) Uh. No he wont for the fact he is under control for the next 2 years. If Sheilds is traded the Rays will get a far better pacakage than the Brewers. A team is much more likely to include top prospects for a guy they have for multiple years than a 2 month rental. Pretty logical. I agree with you on this

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:51 PM) Dempster and his fragile self has never been out of the lowly NL central, furthermore has never been out of the national league. Zach on the other hand has won a Cy Young award in the American League and has a great history against the teams we would have to get through to make the playoffs/WS. And that's not saying the night and day difference in quality of stuff the both possess. Ryan Dempster isn't in the same category as ZG and we all know that. Please stop acting like Grienke is just some ho-hum pitcher. Just like how many have argued this is a career year for Dempster, Greinke's fantastic CY season looks like a career year as well. He's never come close to matching that season. Dempster is incredibly underrated on here if you're looking for a 10 game stretch run from a pitcher.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) Bored at work went into Gameday and flipped through the cubs stats. Other than baby Jesus Rizzo that lineup is embarrassing. I did not realize that Soto was under .200. Ole Starlin in the .280's which is good but with that defense and lock of OBP nothignto write home about. It is amazing how much Soto has flopped since his ROY season.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:40 PM) The "Travis Wood is the real deal" crowd sure has quieted. ERA nearing 5. Still better than Nestor Molina

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:36 PM) Greinke is the only difference maker on the market. Johnson and Garza are a level beneath, don't want either. Why is Greinke considered better than Dempster?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:29 PM) I'm just not sure I wouldn't rather just roll with Humber over a guy like Blanton or the like...Humber looked decent in his first start back, and I'm not convinced he can't show us something...I'd like to see one more start out of him before I give away a decent piece for an average arm at best. I agree with you, but the problem is this weekend isn't exactly a good match-up for him to save his job.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:56 PM) I tend to find that the norm in professional sports. Money guys tend to play more. I usually stay away from most reality shows because they are staged and it was obvious watching this clip. Much of the pace an understanding of the conversations is lost when they bleep out Ozzie's profanity. Less profanity. The Franchise might be the least staged reality show out there

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) You'd get far more in return for Sale than Felix with all that money owed. I couldn't disagree more. It's not like Felix is signed to a bad contract, and with Sale's stamina/injury/longevity concerns, I'd be stunned if Felix didn't have significantly more trade value.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:55 PM) Remember we're saving them 45+ million dollars too. And so would any of the other teams that could offer them significantly better prospects/young MLB talent than what the Sox could. Just like with the Greinke deal I commented on earlier, could you imagine what the reaction on here would be if KW traded the best pitcher in baseball for two guys that were minor league free agents, a 2nd baseman that's been a bust and a non-top 100 outfield prospect?

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) I would gladly include both Viciedo and Quintana, and anything the hell else they want. If the Sox wanted Felix Hernandez, it would probably have to be a deal involving Sale and Viciedo.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) Can't give up both Quintana and Viciedo. Quintana, ADA, Beckham, Mitchell. Go. For Felix? Not a chance in hell would Seattle do that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) I don't think so. Borjos and Conger, which it isn't clear whether the Angels have offered all of that or not, is not enough to land Greinke or Dempster. The Rays don't have to trade Shields though, however, it would appear the Rays would move him for a couple quality MLB pieces vs. your franchises #1 prospect. Didn't Tampa turn down Anaheim's offer though?

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) Shields for Flowers + Mitchell/Walker something like that... And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc.

Tampa desperately wants a catching prospect

BTW, Greinke had a 6.48 ERA in 3 postseason starts last year.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) I guess I just disagree. IMO ZG is worth a gamble on a very good team, in a year where Baseball Is very much wide open for the first time in a while. And it's not like they guy is going to combust, he has proven to be an ace pitcher his whole career. Including a playoff run with the Brewers. He is a competitor and would relish the chance to help a first place team go to the playoffs and maybe win a championship. And by the way make himself a little money in the process. Money I think we would pay of we WIN. He's been an "ace" one year in his entire career. He might be the most overrated pitcher in baseball given his career stats.

Heyman didn't seem to know who the Brewers wanted specifically from the Sox for Greinke. He mentioned names like Quintana, Reed and Santiago. He also mentioned the Brewers don't like our minor leaguers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) How happy is anyone going to be if the Sox trade any of the mentioned for Greinke and his issues either cause him to be average or the Sox don't win and he walks? KW has been grilled on this board for giving away crappy minor leaguers for major leaguers. Now many people want him to give up his top young players for a guy who is very talented, but a head case, and for 10 starts. If he doesn't lead to Sox to where they want to go and he skates away, it would be a huge error. And that's why a handful of posters on here hope the Braves go out and land Greinke.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) This was the trade back then the Brewers had with the Royals: The Royals receive speedy outfielder Lorenzo Cain, young shortstop Alcides Escobar and pitching prospects Jeremy Jeffress and Jake Odirizzi for Greinke and veteran shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt, who presumably will take Escobar's place in the Brewers' infield. Kansas City will also send $2 million in the deal to Milwaukee to cover part of the salary of Betancourt, who is to make $4 million this year and has a $2-million buyout in 2012. IMO not in of the guys they received in return are perennial All-Stars and aren't players you can build a team around. If the Sox trade them Floyd and Beckham the Brewers have a replacement for Betancourt in Beckham and a coat controlled SP who could be dominate in the NL. Let's not kid ourselves here, Floyd has nasty stuff. When he is on he is unhittable. It's not like the Brewers are getting some slouch. Gavins problem is in between his ears most of the time. And it turns out the Brewers have success with pitchers like that, see Zach Grienke. And if the Sox throw in Castro or Hernandez they have a young prospect with a high upside. Escobar sure looks like a future all-star, and Odirizzi is one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy.

Verlander with 2 runs or less in 8 of last 9 starts, including tonight (hopefully this jinxes him)

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:04 AM) If the White Sox can justify and survive trading Gio Gonzalez for Swisher, they can withstand trading Viciedo and Reed for Geinke when a postseason birth is at stake. 10 games for Greinke as opposed to getting Swisher at the time with 4 years left on his contract....huge difference

Castro got shelled tonight. W-S definitely the most intriguing team to follow right now.

Nice start to the career of Starling Marte

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:09 PM) Those were my thoughts exactly. Yea Jones is cheaper but K Rod might be someone that is included. And truthfully is not a horrible option down the stretch over an unproven rookie. KRod has been terrible this season. Give me Q and Reed/Jones over Greinke and KRod