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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) It only got us Scotty Pods and allowed us to sign AJ and El Duque, among others. I hate, hate hate when people b**** about the C-Lee trade. It was great. Yeah, I'm not complaining about the money it freed up at all. It worked out, even if we gave up more talent than what we got back. And IIRC, the player that we definitely couldn't have afforded if we didn't do this trade was Iguchi.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) It would be fair to point out at this point that the Carlos Lee trade went a long way towards winning us our World Series title. Yes, by freeing up more money to spend on other free agents, and not because Pods was actually better than Carlos Lee.

I would look online to see if Dave Wilder is his agent.

I bet we see this lineup tomorrow Pierre, Ramirez, Quentin, Konerko, AJP, Rios, Dunn, Beckham, Omar

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:45 AM) He's always had no arm, but now he has no range, so it's a perfect time to call up Dayan. Everybody would say it's time. You really truly hate Juan. He's bad, but I don't think he deserves the venom of your first post in the thread. He's by all accounts not a bad guy. He's kind of likeable in interviews I think. He sucks. I don't care how nice or how much of an ass someone is...as long as they help the Sox win. Pierre's had an absolutely brutal season this year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:44 AM) I am having a hard time blaming Crain...he's been just as overused, hasn't he? I would have just taken my chances with Thornton there and let him pitch to Olivo...I seem to remember Olivo being an excellent hanging breaking ball hitter...and Crain tends to hang one or two... Crain had like 4 days off after the line drive incident. He just can't keep anything down in the zone. But like you said (and I also added earlier), the main righties are going to continue to be overused. Ozzie seems to have a lot of confidence in Bruney.

So back to the game/team: Crain has got to step it up. Santos is going to hit the wall again sooner rather than later if he keeps having to be the only reliable righty in the pen. Crain's fallen in love with his slider again, even though he had more success earlier in the year getting hitters to chase the high fastball.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:34 AM) Ya, that includes Cuba. I assumed that was included in "Latin America"? Ha, I'm just bad at geography I guess. I was talking about the players available during the usual contract period with the DR, Venezuela, etc.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:31 AM) Since KW has come to the Sox, we're one of the highest spending teams on Latin American players..... There's no way that's accurate unless you're considering Cuba (which you know I wasn't referring to).

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:30 AM) There is not a executive in ALL OF BASEBALL that doesn't encourage getting on base. Would you consider Ozzie an executive? Cause if you do, then he feels like someone who walks a lot is just a base clogger.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:29 AM) I'm fairly certain one of his (Ozzie's) good friends is ill. Seriously? Hadn't heard that. All day on the radio, they were making it seem like it had to do with the draft.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:27 AM) And yet no matter how many years go by and this philosophy fails miserably, nothing changes. But we can hand out extensions to Teahen and $4 million bucks for a month of Manny. We draft terribly, we develop terribly, and spend nothing on Latin American players (even though most of them LOVE Ozzie). It's scary looking a few years into the future, but hopefully the new General Manager will have a better plan for running an organization.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:22 AM) I'd really love to know in what way other than "in-game" where he's a "good" manager. Well, we're 0-1 since he said he was very upset with something in his life even though we had just beaten King Felix.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:22 AM) Yea. He is far too involved with the draft decisions. He constantly hammers home that college players are the best choice as they are safer, and closer to the majors. Gonzalez reiterated this tripe in his pre-draft piece. As did Hawk last night

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:19 AM) The team doesnt exist, but that is the goal of creating a NL style offense, high batting average and high obp. The Sox offense does neither of those things well, I was merely stating that if I could trade the Sox offense for an offense that got a ton more hits and was better on base, Id gladly give up some hrs, because I just cant stand watching a game and hoping that we hit 2-3 hrs or else we cant score. Its just frustrating. The problem we had earlier in the year was when no one was hitting home runs. I still can't stand having an AL team where the LF, CF, 3B and catcher have little to no power in the first 1/4 of the season.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:18 AM) Hint. It's not the scouting. It's Jerry. It's his preference for college players and his adherence to paying slot. Oh totally, there's no one on this site that preaches that fact more than I do. Jerry will never go above slot after the first round, as he won't want to have Bud cancel on their deli dates.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:17 AM) This game looked a lot like the Dodgers game when Guillen thought his closer needed to go two innings. He really is a bad in game manager. At least people won't let him off the hook by using the 6 man rotation excuse. It was pretty clear in the 9th that he didn't have much tonight.

Chalk another one up to Juan Pierre's defense. Juan's defense has cost us over 10% of our home games this year.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:13 AM) Was our draft pathetic or what? I'll obviously concede I haven't seen any of these guys play live. But looking at the scouting reports, some of the videos (especially youtube) and where other better prospects were taken, it's pretty demoralizing. It was extremely uninspiring. I have no idea what our scouting department is doing. It was like someone dared them that they could draft 30 players without taking a high schooler. So now not only do we avoid Boras clients, but we don't draft high school players?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:13 AM) Because im sick of watching station to station baseball with a bunch of guys who cant get on base or hit hrs. Id rather they did something well, than nothing well. Sorry, I couldn't disagree more.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:11 AM) Please not Granderson for Danks. Im sorry but the Sox havent exactly had great success with low contact power guys. Right now Id kill to have a NL style team that could get on base a lot and make things happen. Unfortunately what makes the Sox most like a NL line up is the fact they are trotting out a guy who hits like a pitcher. Why would you ever want to do that playing 81 games at the Cell?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:10 AM) Lucas Harrell, Jeff Marquez, Dallas McPherson, Brian Burney. When will it ever end? Jacob Petricka, Erik Johnson!

What's our extra inning record at home?

Outmanaged

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:06 AM) It wasnt a bad pitch by Santos actually, Olivo just was better. The problem is that Pierre shouldnt be near a baseball field defensively. He makes playing the outfield look impossible. The optimal line up right now has Lilli over Pierre, have CQ in RF/DH and one of Dunn/Pierre rotating who the crappy lefty is. Screw that...optimal lineup is Viciedo in LF, Lillibridge in CF and Rios as late inning defensive replacement.