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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:26 AM) Again, did that cost us the game? Was that the difference? Or could it have been the 5 guys in the lineup batting .170 and the pitching staff made up of 3 solid pitchers? Didn't Teahen make an error that proved costly in that game?

If Alexei strikes out, Ozzie should really consider Nix for Vizquel

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:25 AM) Or its just that the manager just doesn't really f***ing matter all that much in baseball and I'll stick with the guy with the ring over another guy if its all the same. Or maybe if your manager is also your GM. I said it earlier, Ozzie needs to manage and KW needs to put the team together. But what if your manager and GM refuse to hold people accountable...ie: Greg Walker

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:24 AM) Bad night for Kotsay, he had some bad luck, but can't strike out looking like that. You mean the grounder up the middle that would have been a routine DP even if Harden didn't kick it? Ha, the worst part of that was Stone having to agree with Hawk.

HELL OF A GAME KOTSAY!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:22 AM) Ozzie has done fine, Bolt. Have you ever heard the man's postgame pressers? He explains every move and they all make sense. The team SUCKS. The manager is fine. Wow, you are so loyal. D. Wade and LeBron need to come play for you.

Nice eye by PK. Lillibridge to PH for some power?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:16 AM) The Rangers were right in the middle of the AL in offense entering tonight. 9 runs and 19 hits later despite a strike zone as wide as the BP oil spill, and they'll be a little better. Our pitching staff can cure many offensive ills. Just remember, we could have flipped the rotation to have Peavy pitch tonight and Buehrle on Sunday...but Peavy is a grinder!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:17 AM) Thats not my point. My point is how stupid the argument is in the first place: when the team is good, the manager is awesome; when the team is s***, the manager is horrible. Well, when you're on your way to 3 years out of 4 with a mediocre to awful team, then I guess your manager is horrible. The same philosophy you mentioned above is true with every team in every league.

Well done Rios...need base runners!

A positive is that we didn't have to use Thornton tonight.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:09 AM) It's Ozzie's fault that our hitters make Darren Oliver look like Sandy Koufax. Bad baseball team. Darren Oliver is one of the best relievers in baseball this year.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 04:07 AM) Ozzie is a terrible in game manager. It's seen almost on a nightly basis similar to what has gone on tonight. KW should go first if I had to pick an order, but they both should go. I've yet to come across an argument as to why KW/Ozzie should keep their jobs. The results speak for themselves.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:05 AM) Among all relievers this season Thornton has the highest rated fastball, Putz has the 2nd highest rated splitty and Sergio has the 7th highest rated slider. That's a great stat, what is it measuring? Also, who has the best slider/curve/split?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:02 AM) A lot of people picked the Sox to win the division because of the Sox rotation. Are you denying this, fathom? All the statistical predictions had the Twins running away with the division, I'm pretty sure. The Sox PECOTA predictions was around .500, IIRC. This wasn't like 2006 where people really were proclaiming we had the greatest staff ever assembled.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:57 AM) Texas has a ton of hits against our awesome pitching staff. We were supposed to revolutionize baseball with our rotation this year. You have to stop reading fluff pieces. A lot of people thought there were other staff better in the AL coming into the season, including the Red Sox and Yankees.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 02:53 AM) I've been one of the biggest Rios skeptics around, but unless the Sox have some replacement that's not a huge question mark, ie. Jordan Danks, or Mitchell or trying to win a bidding war for a free agent, trading him for prospects unless they are surefire really doesn't make sense., and I agree, I don't believe his value is as high as many think it is for the reasons you mentioned. Tyler Flowers and Jordan Danks performances make this season even a bigger disaster. Barring a Hudson injury, I don't know how you could have a worse season with your prospects than the Sox have (given the news of Trayce Thompson's injury)

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:51 AM) He's not fat enough to be criticized. I haven't been all that impressed as everyone else seems to be. He hasn't pitched very well in clutch situations it seems, but for greg to say he's been on par with Jenks is just wrong. I still think Putz's fastball is way too straight, but his splitter is one of the best pitches that any of our pitchers has.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:48 AM) I won't take the bait. I am no parody. I know as much about baseball as you do whether you believe that or not. and that's why you're the manager of the White Sox

Can our hitters just stop trying to bunt for the rest of the season? Nothing good comes from it ever!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:44 AM) Alexis Rios. I can't see KW giving him up now. Where was that information about the Red Sox being interested in him?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 03:44 AM) Some people on here want Putz to close over Bobby. Uh as closer Putz will have to face some lefthanded hitters as well as right. Way to give up the hit. if Putz was on the 2005 team, you'd say how great he was that inning. don't become a parody of yourself.

3 innings, no hits for Ely

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 02:43 AM) Putz's splity is still one of the best pitches in the game, it's unreal. mercy, that was filthy stuff to Andrus. He might be our best trade chip.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2010 -> 02:41 AM) I don't see the point of giving KW a role like that. Either you want him making the decisions or you don't. If you don't let him go home. Maybe if D. Wade would put the weed down, he'd realize that JR is too loyal to his guys.