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QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Too many Illini fans blame the refs. Seriously. Every game. They also think that every other team cheats when recruiting but them. With that said, the Illini fans on this board are good ones. I really feel like Weber has created an excuse-laden culture with that program instead of ever putting responsibility on himself. His biggest issue after this year is managing the enormous ego of three of his starting players (in the rare chance they all return) in Leonard, Richmond and Paul.

Great post hitless. For Illinois to go as far as they can this year, they obviously need McCamey, Tisdale and Davis to play their best ball. The Crandall Head clamoring is almost worse than that for Leonard.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) Weren't some fans thinking Meyers could be a one and done? The dude is so bad everytime I see him. Seems like he has a ton of potential, he just plays dumb and does more whining with Richmond than anything else. How dare you make fun of the White Dwight Howard!

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:20 PM) Weber sent a great message to his team but starting McCamey and Tisdale over the guys that deserve to start. Ugh, I'm so sick of hearing Illini fans (not on this site, but other boards) want to see Leonard play over Tisdale. Leonard is terrible, and whenever he was in today, Johnson schooled him. Illini fans need to realize that this team will do or die based on how McCamey plays.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) pretty sure every good team has a guy like him. he just talks, which is fine unless he fails to back it up. normally he does. What does he have, 3 techs and an intentional foul this year? He's just so immature on the court.

Richmond continues to be just about the most unlikeable college basketball player I can remember. Brandon Paul looking great...he really needs to be the go-to guy for Illinois.

Another worry with 4 man rotation is if Gavin gets off to his usual ugly start.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) Agreed. Some of the football scenes were well down but others were just absolutely horrible. And way too many games came down to a final play, that just doesn't happen often in football. Yep, any smart betting man would have just bet on the game being within 6 points, and they would have won a lot of money. I watched the pilot, and I remember almost not watching the second episode because of how awful the football scenes were. Thankfully, I sucked it up and watched the 2nd episode. And yes, Riggins leaving shoes on the field was a fantastic moment.

QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) The way it was done, I would of been fine if they left the result of the state title game up in the air for discussion. It's funny, basically since the pilot episode, I HATED the football scenes from the show. It was so much better for the drama off the field than on it.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 04:07 AM) That's an exaggeration but ya Utah State really isn't all that great, that I agree with you on. That's one of the few times you'll see an overrated mid major, mostly because Utah State has definitely earned a reputation the last few years. I agree, Utah State has definitely carved its niche as a 20-25th ranked team even though they don't beat anyone.

Man, outside of the big 3 of Minnesota, they are absolutely awful. Is it just that Kentucky recruits all the good players...because it's insane how little depth so many of these teams have. I watched the #17 team in the country last night, and I'm confident they wouldn't win 6 games in one of the bigger conferences.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 04:25 AM) The latter is on Weber. However, he does not change the gameplan with a lead, at least not in the last two seasons. Fair enough. I like to play a game by looking at the game thread on Illini sites before checking the score. If you didn't know better, you'd think Minnesota was up by 25. Considering how poorly Illinois has shot, being down 1 here isn't bad at all.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) That's the players. How do you figure? It's been happening since Deron left. If it's on the players, then shame on Weber for not figuring out a way after all this time of getting them to speed it up.

QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 04:07 AM) So that's something else that Illinois does with regularity that I don't understand. Do they change the offense they run once they get a lead? Like running more clock and taking lousy shots as time expires? Or is it that when other teams bring defensive pressure they can't handle it (they are an overall poor ball-handling team)? It seems to happen a lot, and like the road shooting, I don't understand why. Weber has historically slowed down the pace in the 2nd half if his team has a lead. A lot of the time, it's ruined the flow of the offense and led to a lot of rushed shots at the end of shot clock.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) For no reason I can explain I've always felt there was something like that with him. Deron's a good guy...compared to the other two members of the big three from Illinois (Dee and Head), he's an absolute saint. I would say this is probably a case of fame getting the best of him.

One thing that Dilfer said about Newton that I agree with is how the ball seems to just fly out of his hand. After watching Locker in some of these workouts, Newton is far and away a better pick, IMO, than Jake.

I think it's more likely Deron goes to Dallas. It's weird, never heard of him having attitude issues.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) The best line was at the resturant where they are talking about being at dinner at 6:30 and Phil says, "this place is on fire" and it was all old folks. Claire and Phil make that show. The storylines for Cam and Mitchell are usually pretty bad. I usually hate the Cam/Mitchell story lines, yet Cam (E. Stonestreet) is the one who wins all of the awards. It's crazy to me, as Phil (and Luke) are far and away the most entertaining characters.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) That is exactly what has to happen. The Cardinals can only get the value for him if he signs an extension. Without the extension you will get he value of two draft picks for him. Screw the draft picks. If you're out of it at the deadline and know you're not going to go 10/300 million, then you trade him and try to get an amazing package. I liked the package proposed earlier of Morales, Trout, and Weaver. Hell, I'd say the Cardinals would be better with those three than just Pujols taking up 1/3 of their budget.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) Taj is incredibly valuable in this league. He's a big who can play well above average defense and has some decent offensive potential. Not many of those guys in the league. And he can play D on both C's and PF's. It is why we are talking about potentially moving him in a Carmelo deal. He's valuable in the sense of if you get him in a trade for Courtney Lee, you think your team won. However, I just don't see these role players being able to get you Carmelo Anthony. Let's not forget that Taj is old for a 2nd year player, so it's not like he's someone like D. Favors where you can project him adding a lot of strength due to being 18 years old.

Something I keep hearing is that the Nuggets want Landry Fields to be a big part of the Melo to Knicks trade. I might be Landry's biggest fan, but players like him are a dime a dozen. Kinda like Bulls fans who begged the Bulls not to get rid of Taj last offseason.

2011 Cubs Slogan: Screw this season, we have a chance at Pujols! I still can't see this happening, as Cards would trade Pujols at the deadline if they're out of it and know they can't re-sign him.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) Wow, this show looks so awesome and so right up my alley. Holy s***. It has a really nice set of actors I like in it, too... Jimmi Simpson (McPoyle) Robert Knepper Domenick Lombardozzi Knepper was amazing on Prison Break, so hopefully he plays a big role in this.

QUOTE (Cali @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 06:49 AM) Modern Family has been missing waaaaaay more than it's been hitting this year. At least to me.... It's still a great show, but that was definitely a disappointing episode.

Jazz with some terrible possessions down the stretch. Anyone else think Deng got hammered by Kirilenko with 50 seconds left in the game? Great win!