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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:01 AM) Dye is one of the best players and people this team has ever had. And I'll say something controversial here, but screw it: I'll have better memories of Dye's time with the White Sox than Frank Thomas. However, there's plenty of time to discuss Dye's legacy in the coming days.

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:00 AM) No it hasn't. This has been discussed in other threads. His problem has been lack of command, not lack of stuff. You must have not watched his performances for the Reds this past season. My brother also saw him in AAA a few times this season, and was shocked at how much velocity he's lost.

On the other hand, if we use this money wisely, then I don't mind these moves. I'd like to be the first to say thank you to Jermaine Dye. One of the most significant players in Sox history.

QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:56 AM) I love this, Dye would be gone in a year anyway, and you're giving Coop a guy with some of the best pure stuff in baseball. It's 1 year of Jermaine Dye for 6+ years of Homer Bailey, + 11million to be used on free agents. Bailey's stuff has significantly deteriorated over the past few seasons.

This is turning into the White Flag offseason version. Hopefully KW remembers our fan base won't show up if he doesn't have a winning team on the field.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:47 AM) Depends if we are "subsidizing" the deal with any money going to the Reds. If so, the secondary names like Freel and Dickerson, etc., will certainly come up. Ryan Freel f***ing sucks. We have enough grinders with little offensive talent.

Just a terrible, gross trade. The rumors about the Sox having huge financial issues are becoming more accurate by the day.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) It makes me apprehensive to sign someone whose speed is a major tool that has been injured the last two seasons (Pods) and will be in his mid-thirties for the majority of the contract. Furcal was a good signing 4 years ago, but I think that ship has sailed, and the Dodgers lack of interest should throw up a red flag, like maybe they know something that we dont. I think our leadoff hitter will come from the CF position, and it may be an acquisition for another young prospect, maybe a package of the pieces that we have acquired for a year of Chone Figgins and Peter Bourjos, Cameron Maybin, or Dexter Fowler they would all fit KW's plan to get younger, be more athletic, and improve the defense. Save the money and get a pitcher instead of spending on a big question mark like Furcal. He's 31 now, which means a 4 year deal would end when he's 35.

Lions have had every chance to beat the Vikings today, but looks like they're going to lose again.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:00 PM) all I see is CR/AP That could be a great acronym if they're our 4/5 starters and they stink.

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Putting those numbers in perspective... there are alot of people who feel Asdrubal Cabrera is a 'defensive stud'. And his zone rating is not really any better than Alexei's. Yet people think that Weeks is a disaster at 2nd base, and Ramirez's numbers are very similar.

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) Tell me about it! We need to get this guy off the field. It's a wonder how we even won a game with such a horrific defender. Give me a break. I'll sit back and wait for the stat posters to reveal his mediocre zone ratings, etc. He had poor range considering his athletic ability, and struggled with routine plays after the ASB. Prior to the ASB, I thought he was a potential Gold Glove candidate.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 06:43 PM) What am I missing here? Did UConn play an NBA team in Buffalo? How is playing at Buffalo a tough road test? I'm scratching my head over this one. Please enlighten me. Well, Buffalo did beat a very good Ball State team. Oh wait, wrong board.

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) alexi best postion is suppost to be at SS. If you do remember Alexi early on in 2008 season started in Cf and that changed right away. Not to mention how well alexi played so well at 2b. He was horrific defensively during the 2nd half of last season.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 06:57 AM) Well, to be honest, Mullens is one of the more highly regarded freshman in the country, so most likey he just played well. Basically OSU just beat ND, with Evan Turner (from chicago) just dominating. Yep, it's about time Mullens showed some flashes of dominance. Also, I can't thank you enough for the clubtrillion blog.

QUOTE (tommy @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 01:16 AM) So does this mean, Alexei plays 2B ? or CF

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 12:12 AM) This means Furcal. I like it. If true, OC has to decline arbitration. If we're not trading for Roberts, then Furcal is the best fit for this team.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 01:06 AM) The Sox are bidding on leadoff hitters as we speak. On free agents?

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 12:26 AM) Santo, I appreciate your research. I can't agree that SBs (especially those late in games) are meaningless. You'd have fielders' indifference if they were meaningless. Runners who don't have blazing speed need to pick their spots. More than the stolen bases, OC had the rep as being a great baserunner. However, he had quite a few bonehead moves on the bases that resulted in untimely outs.

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 12:10 AM) I'm not comparing anything. I'm wondering why JD's paying one bit of attention to anything on the basepaths when he's got a two strike count. If it was that distracting to have a runner in motion, then technically the hit and run would never work. I love JD, but I think it's a total BS excuse. It happens all around baseball. Stealing a base with 2 strikes is usually frowned upon, as it will distract the hitter. Iguchi really struggled with this when Pods was around.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 11:54 PM) Harangody's has pneumonia for the last week. I know...but unless he's had pneumonia for his ND career, his defense has been horrible. There's no denying he's a great offensive player though. Tory Jackson's one of the better pg in college bball, but Brey's done a poor job of recruiting the past two seasons it seems like.

ND with a pretty weak effort against Ohio St, even though Evan Turner is turning into a superstar. Luke Harangody is one of the best offensive players in the country...and far and away the worst defensive player in the country. He made B.J. Mullens look efficient on the offensive end.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 06:00 PM) Exactly! We are getting into this cycle of thinking we will just take fringe players or think we are getting the other teams top prospects who are not ready for the bigs and believing we will be contenders next year or even in 2010. You don't give up your top players for less than major league ready impact players in my opinion. I have said it before and that's that we seem to value our own players way to little Cause it boils down to some people would rather have a highly rated farm system than actual MLB players.

The UGa/Illini game is one of the uglier games you'll ever see. There's a tipped passed on every possession, and it's not due to aggressive defense. Trey Thompkins travels every move he makes for Georgia.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 05:18 PM) I think a lot of people don't realize that KW has already told us that Marquez will be on the starting staff. I know alot of people don't like it but it follows KW's pattern. He traded a veteran not specatacular pitcher (Garland earlier, Vazquez this year). He acqured a pitcher who was once highly regarded but who regressed but who KW saw in the AFL and stated was MLB ready (Floyd then Marquez now). I agree, and the problem with this is Marquez was never close to being the prospect Floyd was.