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QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:48 AM) Well, if the Sox get stuck paying OC this year, wouldn't that make it even more likely that this trade (Dye for a cheap young pitcher) goes through? I guess it would make it a little less likely KW tries to fill the OF or LOH slots with an expensive FA though. Exactly, I think some of us are excited by the possibilities this opens up. I don't think anyone is excited about the 10 million dollar addition being OC.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:44 AM) while we are talking about third base (maybe this should go in a different thread), but what do we reasonably expect out of Josh Fields this year if he plays everyday? I guess I'd say .250 with .310 obp and 20 HR I think he'd hit 30 homers if he played the whole year.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:35 AM) Edwin was once a pretty top notch prospect. Although I see little need for him considering the Sox have two other toolsy 3rd baseman (Mr. Cuban & Fields). Maybe Fields would be in a package to trade for a leadoff hitter? I heard McLouth's name again today, but I don't think it's anything.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:33 AM) dude on WSI says rumor says that encarnacion is in on the deal but we may have to pay half JDs salary...take that FWIW...which is probably very little I doubt that's true at all. If it is, that's a hell of a trade by KW.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:32 AM) Dude, it's only December 7 This is a first....someone implying that jphat is being pessimistic.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:28 AM) Let's just hope the Angels don't steal away our free agent this year like last season. With the talk of Furcal having a mystery suitor for 2 weeks now, and KW trying to have every move he makes be secretive, I'm convinced all this talk about moving Alexei to SS is a cover for the Sox's pursuit of Furcal.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:28 AM) Plus I could still see Abreu eventually signing a relatively short-term deal (no it's not what he wants, but he might just end up getting it). I'd love to have Bobby on a 2 year deal and I think he'd be a tremendous fit in the offense. He's still an above average player and can get by in left field defensively. Can we schedule the Braves so Abreu can face Javy?

My totally inaccurate and spur-of-the-moment Sox starting lineup for 2009 is: 1- Furcal SS 2- Ramirez 2B 3- Quentin LF 4- Thome DH 5- Konerko 1B 6- Abreu RF 7- Fields 3B 8- AJP C 9- Taveras CF

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:25 AM) Friendship means nothing over cash in pro sports. Besides, Abreu's too old for what he'd want money-wise. Friendship means an awful lot in the Sox organization.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:24 AM) So you can say that Abreu could probably be signed for Dye-type money, while he just bypassed the FA pitching market by trading Dye for a young, long-term arm. Exactly, while adding a great base runner in Abreu. Both suck on defense though.

Even though I'd have to say this is some of the best baseball conversation we've had on this board, everything said in this could be mute if OC doesn't decline within the next 150 minutes.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:21 AM) Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point. Agreed...everyone needs to remember that Ozzie and Abreu are great friends.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:20 AM) I think its safe to say that KW isnt after a FA pitcher. He was going to fill the lead off/OF/Pitching roles with trades or FA signings. With Bailey probably slotted for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation I think its a pretty solid guess that any FA is going to be a corner OF'er or a leadoff man. Yep, with KW making all of these trades for potential 4/5 starters in 2009, he can't then go out and sign a 10 million dollar a year pitcher also.

Lost in all of this is: WHAT IN THE HELL ARE THE REDS THINKING! Have they seen their roster compared to the Cubs? That team has no chance in the NL Central for a few seasons, and Jermaine will be retired in Arizona by that time.

I'm actually beginning to come around on this already. Bailey is something we are really lacking..a potential power righty in our rotation.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:16 AM) I don't buy that. Dye was well respected in Chicago. He's talking about Swisher.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:15 AM) If he was batting 9th, I'd have zero problems with that. Hopefully a Furcal signing and a Taveras deal would give us a nice speedy combo at 1 and 9 in the lineup. Yep, I'd have no problem with it, as long as there's good offensive players added to SS and LF.

QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:15 AM) I wonder if this means Brian Anderson is going to get to start? Having that glove in CF would be nice after Swisher&Griffey. Not with Wily mo Taveras lurking

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:12 AM) I think it's funny that we'd be trading for, starting and batting leadoff a player who's former team believes is less valuable than Scott Podsednik. I think he'd be batting 9th.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:09 AM) Man, I'm definitely going to miss JD. I trust KW, so I trust that he knows more than us about Baileys struggles last season. But I must say, between Bailey/Danks/Floyd, the potential of the 3 reminds me of the early Zito/Hudson/Mulder A's rotation. T minus how many hours before Broadway is traded for WT

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:08 AM) Right, of course they arent worth half of what Dye is. And I like that many people are saying they wont go to games next year, I like it when there are less yahoo's at the park. The Sox are going after some FA's as we speak. I am not too worried, I like this building on young pitching philosophy. Any idea of when a decision is expected to be made by these FA?

If true, it pisses me off that we traded Swisher. He would have fit in LF, and put Quentin in RF.

At this time last year, an unnamed source said we had traded for Miguel Cabrera.

Do we plays Cincy at the Cell next year? Also, Jermaine has my permission to go buck-wild on the Cubs.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:01 AM) Dye is one of the best players and people this team has ever had. And I'll say something controversial here, but screw it: I'll have better memories of Dye's time with the White Sox than Frank Thomas. However, there's plenty of time to discuss Dye's legacy in the coming days.