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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 11, 2007 -> 04:27 PM) Sounds like an admission that we don't have a fighting chance. Which I totally agree with....so don't waste money on a veteran and start going young.

I really get the feeling KW's going to explode soon. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...-baseball_N.htm

Having to watch him in game 3 of the Cubs series was enough torture.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 11, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) $50M? Over what period? I really like the idea of Fuku on the Sox, but if they are talking $50M over three years, I am starting to think I'd rather have Rowand. If I had to guess, it's 4 years.

Looks like the Cubs will do anything to get him. I hope he's a bust. http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padre...1s11padres.html

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 10, 2007 -> 06:13 AM) Wish I could have seen the game, from the sounds of it Dillard just has some sick handles, needs to work on his shot though. Still haven't seen him play so that's just from what I've read. His shot might be his greatest strength. He's a 90 pct ft shooter right now. From what I've seen from SIU so far this season, he'd be their best offensive guard.

If Ozzie really said something about inflated stats for these players, then I think it's pretty obvious the Sox won't get him. At this point, I just hope we drive up his price to 15 mil or so.

Boring as hell....thankfully, I didn't pay for it.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 8, 2007 -> 07:11 PM) Poor call by the ref there. McClellan just flat out lost the ball. Yes, that was a bad call.

Wise was about a tenth of a second away from pulling a Webber.

Outside of that bad charge call on Randle, Illinois has sure been given a lot of favorable calls. No way you call that flop under the basket in that situation.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) Yup. I'd think a package of Richar, Broadway and Sweeney? Would that equal about what the cubs are offering? I know Bal wants OF'ers. I dont know all that much about our prospect rankings this year. No, that wouldn't be enough. They're going to want a stud minor league pitcher, so maybe Gio, Richar, and Sweeney for Roberts. I just don't think Angelos will trade his golden boy.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 10:15 PM) Gallagher still isnt much, Pie maybe be a lighter hitting version of Corey Patterson, and dont think that many gm's dont know that by now. The rumor right now is that the offer was two players and after gallagher there was a disconnect. I would be interested to see where. I would gladly give up 4 5-10 ranked prospects out of our system for Roberts. Me too, he'd be a great leadoff hitter. Heck, trade Richar for him in the package.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 10:10 PM) apparently we dont need to include Danks. The cubs are basically throwing a young arm and a nothing position prospect out for him. It looks like a deal we can easily top. Sean Gallagher I believe is the spect they want to send. He is a 12th round reliever who didnt have much success in his short stint last season. He was a starter in the minors. He is ranked as the #5 prospect in the Cubs system. I believe the cubs have the 18th ranked system in the league. This is a guy who was ranked behind Samardzija last season. There is no doubt in my mind we may be able to beat their offer without putting Gio or DLS in the offer. Seems to be some sentiment that the Gallagher/Murton/Cedeno rumor was bs, and it would have to be Pie with Gallagher and another good prospect included. I just don't see Angelos trading Roberts.

The Mitchell Report's coming out in a week.....don't make any signings KW!

QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) I think he fits in better as well with the pickups KW has made recently mainly based on his age. 26 years old fits in with Quentin and Richar. I thought the reports on Ramirez in winter league stated he wasn't anything special.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 09:03 PM) Offer him 4/52 and see if the Cubs beat it. He only wants to take a 3 year deal.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 09:00 PM) And yet, most of the board was ready to lynch KW for not getting M-Cab, even though they had even less of a shot at him. I think that Tampa blog in the few hours leading up to the final decision caused everyone to get their hopes up.

QUOTE(scenario @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:43 PM) Per Foxsports.com today... - updated about 2:40pm "Fukudome's decision on whether to join the Cubs, Padres or an unidentified third finalist might come as soon as late Friday night or early Saturday, sources say. The Rangers, White Sox and Giants are among the other teams that have shown interest." I can just imagine the level of angst on the board if he signs with the Cubs. That would be stupid, as there hasn't been anyone who's suggested the Sox are the frontrunners for him.

The thing is, everyone was saying how the Sox were swinging and missing during the meetings even prior to KW's pathetic outburst. I don't think this is the media's revenge on him. Shockingly, the media has been kind to him on this as well. Maybe it's due to the Bears having a Thursday game.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:41 PM) So if missing out on big players was the standard for being the biggest losers at the winter meetings, why weren't Anaheim, the Yankees, the Red Sox, and Cleveland on this list after missing out on Cabrera, Santana, Santana, and Bay respectively? Maybe because those teams won a lot more than 70 games last season, and don't need the significant upgrades like the Sox do?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:44 PM) Because those GM's didn't verbally pummel the media who are writing the "standard". Also, the Red Sox and Yankees always get the special benefit of the doubt. And how about Texas? What about the Cubs? Those are teams who had big goals and did zip. The Cubs main target hasn't decided yet (and everyone knows they'll get Fukudome). Does anyone really care about the Rangers? Do you honestly believe that the winter meetings were a positive for this franchise, in regards to competing in the AL Central for the next few years? If so, that's where our difference of opinion is.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:36 PM) I don't know about you, but anytime I have a product to sell, I like to tell people it is the s***tiest thing out there. I find the honest helps sell more... How about "we're always looking for ways to upgrade the team"? It comes across a lot less arrogant.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:34 PM) ^^^^ That is the answer to your question, Fathom. Thank you DA. Notice the edit I made to my post, even prior to seeing DA's next post. I can confidently say that DA is just as disappointed as I am in what's happened so far this offseason though. I think the fact that the Sox master plan supposedly included signing Hunter and trading for Cabrera makes the perception of things even worse. The funny thing is I don't think the Sox ever really had a shot at Cabrera, and even if Tigers weren't involved, I bet another team would have made a better offer.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 08:28 PM) What a joke. The Sox made one move - Quentin for Carter - which improved the club. And they are the biggest losers? There is exactly one reason the media pundits are panning the Sox' winter meetings performance - KW's speech. He outright lambasted them, and now they are getting him back for it. I guess since they were among 5 teams (at least) trying for Hunter, and probably that many or more for M-Cab, those other teams are losers too, right? And before anyone responds "no", think about what that means. Oh please, how can anyone argue that the Sox weren't one of the biggest losers of the Winter Meetings? The Sox desperately needed significant upgrades, and they struck out at the meetings. Quentin is a nice addition, but he's not likely going to be a difference maker for the Sox in terms of finishing in either 3rd or 5th place. I'll never understand KW complaining about the media...I thought they treated KW and Ozzie with kid gloves last year when the team massively underachieved. It will get a lot uglier this year if the team sucks, and it has nothing to do with KW acting like a jerk. Thankfully, there's still a few months to make some moves to get this team possibly closer to the top of the division than the bottom.