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http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Oh please don't trade our prospects for Jason Bay. This type of article is just so depressing right now.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:47 AM) It's okay, fellas, this just puts the Cubs in a better position to compete with us. I'm thinking more and more about the Garland-Cabrera trade. I'm thinking Kenny acted much too quickly. He said he had deals on the table where we would've gotten prospects back -- hell, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Sox could've gotten Milledge for Garland and somebody else (or some cash). We're so f***ed right now. I'm gonna laugh when Kenny tries to tell the fans we're going to compete in 2008 with Jerry Owens in CF. No kidding....he really messed that up, especially considering Cabrera won't sign an extension.

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:36 AM) They'll regret it next year. If this was an elite Japanese player, the yankees or the red sox would have been all over this guy. They were never metioned to even have the slightest interst in him. Yanks did have interest, but only if they traded Cabrera.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:30 AM) Right now: 3rd or 4th. If they can improve CF: solid for 3rd. If they can do that and improve at least one SP slot: 3rd and in shooting distance of 2nd if either CLE or DET falters. Outside shot at a playoff spot. Twins still have Santana. With him, they're easily better than the Sox are right now. Hopefully they'll trade him and Nathan prior to the year.

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:26 AM) Wow. So you are giving up on the season before one pitch is even thrown? Wow. Let the first few months play out and see what happens. Why give up in the offseason, especially after the year most of our players just had. Their value isn't exactly high right now. Let's see how the first couple months play out, and see what happens. The roster, as it's currently constructed, would likely get 5th place in the AL Central. Even Ozzie knows we need help.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:25 AM) I think they will trade for Pierre. They aren't going to sign Rowand I think -- he's just to pricey for the Sox. Gio for Pierre+some money?? Haha, KW should be fired on the spot then. He should make the Dodgers take Contreras for Pierre.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:24 AM) Disagree, but its not terribly far off. Even though the Sox are a much better team, as it stands. CLE and DET just look really tough. I love the young pitching the Giants have. They'd be fools to trade Lincecum for Rios.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:22 AM) I wouldn't be a bad deal, at all. Sadly, it will be more like 5/70 for him.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:22 AM) Chris Burke sounds pretty decent to me. I'd trade a fringe reliever for Burke (Ed Wade just loves his relievers, and with Matsui and Bourn there, Burke is basically useless to Houston), and maybe one of your SP prospect's such as Broadway and a reliever for McLouth. Then sign another reliever to replace the one you've traded, preferably from Japan (if there are any left). Burke just sucks....he would get dominated having to face Johan, Liriano, C.C. on a weekly basis. The Pirates will want more for McLouth.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:21 AM) Yeah, but signing for 4 years with the White Sox doens't mean he's any closer to winning. Yeah, after thinking about that comment from Rosenthal, the Giants might be closer to winning a division than the Sox.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:19 AM) How many has Fukudome had? I'd be happy with a 4/50 deal for Rowand.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:18 AM) Rosenthal say the Giants and White Sox are among the teams competing for free agent Aaron Rowand. Is this a bidding war we can win, especially with SF possibly willing to go 5 years ? Rosenthal said it best...if Rowand wants to go to a team for 5 years that won't win, then that's his choice (and a bad one).

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:16 AM) Maybe you were, but I am sure once you saw that one man doesn't and wouldn't win us the division, things would be a different story. The last time I checked the Best player in basebal has played 3rd base for the Yankees the last few years and they have won how many World Series Championships? We have won 1. So just because you have all the big name players, don't mean nothing. the game is played on the field, not by who spends the most or signs the biggest free agents. No, it's more because I would want a future HOF on the Sox likely locked up for the next 8 years or so. He'd hit 50 homers a year at the Cell. Instead, we have to face him 6 series a season on a team with other young superstars.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:14 AM) Also there are still some good options for CF out there in a trade. Nate McLouth for one (.822 OPS last season with around 22 SB's). Luke Scott's another (although I don't know if he can handle CF). So we still do have some more options. I like McLouth, but we better get a platoon partner for him then in CF.

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:10 AM) Who do you and Fathom suggest they get to play center?? I am just curious. If KW would have signed Hunter to a 5/95 mil contract you guys would have b****ed about that. Saying he overpaid. If we would have given up the farm for Cabrera, I am sure you guys would have said we mortgaed the future for one guy. It's like KW can't win no matter what he does with you guys. I wouldn't mind having Rowand back. It will solidify centerfield for the next 5 years, and I believe last year was a breakout year for him, and he will continue to put up similar numbers. Nice try, but I was on here when the Cabrera rumors hit stating that we should trade every member of our organization in order to get him.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:09 AM) Don't like it, we saw this ride before. I know Owens isn't the answer to anything, but I'd rather just see him. Here's what I was talking about earlier with a friend: I don't want to see the Sox sign Rowand/Cameron, or trade for Pierre/Crisp. If they can't trade for someone like Josh Hamilton, then just go ahead and play Owens/Anderson in CF.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:03 AM) It will be interesting to see if KW still has any faith in any of them. I hope he keeps them all. He can't get anything for them, and if they come up big he can trade them next year, because chances are they will be awful again in 2009. It's too bad we didn't have them pitch at the end of last season, in order to try and raise their value (you know, like how Aardsma teased KW at the end of 2006).

Rosenthal said Sox are still keying on Rowand, and might offer 4 years with an option.

We're going to see the highlights of that Japanese homer and the homer at PetCo about a million times over the next few months.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:58 AM) Its true, but KW could have traded Garcia for me and it would have been a win. the failure of guys like Sisco, Masset, and Aardsma really hurt the pitching depth of this organization.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:56 AM) The board rules according to fathom. Cop out. It's a message board. Is that in the terms of service? Actually no.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:54 AM) Please tell the class which position he should be promoted to. Also please tell the class who should take over. If you say Rick Hahn, please tell the class, in detail, why Hahn would be better. Not Rick Hahn. As much as I like him, I think the entire front office needs some fresh voices. I've long been of the opinion that Steve Stone would end up working with the Sox front office, but I don't know how the timing of that would work out.

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:54 AM) And you are basing this on what? How do you know what kind of player this guy is gonna be. He is a total gamble. And for 13 mil a year, I'm glad we passed on him. Now if he tirns out to be another Ichiro, then I will have no problem saying I was wrong. But I would rather have Rowand at 5/70 than this guy. To be honest, it has little to do with my opinion on Fuku, and more to do about how I think Rowand is an average player.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:51 AM) Great ... then why don't you just say that, instead of all your cloak-and-dagger BS about how you'll tell the board why he'd sign with the Cubs after he signs? Who cares what you told another poster. Why don't you be more forthcoming instead of all your hide behind the curtain BS? (speaking for several board members who PM me when I stand up to your cloak and dagger crap). It's a message board. Cut the "I told you so" crap. No one's impressed. Please tell the board what the Mitchell report will say and how it will affect the White Sox. You have been tip toeing around it for months now. Come clean, tell us what your Baseball America brother has to say about it. To the board ... pardon my bluntness. To fathom, cut the cloak and dagger crap ... if you're going to post, spill and stop worrying about covering your ass. We're not allowed to speculate on players who did steroids. That was established a long time ago on here.

QUOTE(frankie5angels @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:51 AM) I live in the south suburbs, and have nothing but friends who are Cub fans, so I know how it gets, trust me. The media loves the Cubs and always will. I just learn to deal with it. But this by no means makes them stronger in my eyes. This guy is totally unknown, and to take a 13 million dollar a year for 4 years gamble, isn't worth it. I'm glad we didn't get into a bidding war for this guy. Since money's not an issue for them really, isn't he an upgrade over J. Jones? Don't forget that this also means they're likely going to have more prospects to be able to land Roberts, as MacPhail seems intent on finally helping the Cubs in his MLB career.