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2 up, 2 K for the horrible 1/2 Sox hitters. I hate that Ozzie doesn't have the guts to shake everything up.

Swisher chases a pitch a foot off the plate on 3-2.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 4, 2008 -> 03:02 AM) Cubs send Rich Hill to AAA Iowa. I have a feeling he is in Pinella's dog house and we may not see him for awhile. Leiber will start now. Something to consider with moving Lieber into the starting spot. He's pitched a lot of innings this season coming in for Lilly and Hill. The lineups in those games were righty dominant. Lieber has always had use splits against righties/lefties. Thus, he will now face more lineups that are set with lefty hitters from the beginning.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 06:04 AM) He's no Ryan Dempster. fathom. Quality post

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 4, 2008 -> 09:58 AM) After looking it up, which one is the right answer? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7964

Quick trivia....which relief pitcher has a .33 WHIP in 12 innings this season?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:17 AM) Find me a post where I said Floyd or Danks are the real deal based off nice April's and I'll never post on this board again. But atleast with them they're young and there's upside. There's no upside with Dempster. He's just not that good. I hope you're right...please, please don't think I'm rooting for him to do well.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:11 AM) LMAO. You are so full of it sometimes. Ryan Dempster's career ERA as a starter is well over 5. s***, it might be over 6. And you're slurping his ass because of a few decent starts? Lou has been babying his sorry ass all year. Taking him out just before he's about to get slammed. How many times has he gone past the 6th inning? Once? And you want to talk about competiton? He's faced the Pirates twice and the Nationals. Not to mention a Brewers team that's fallen way short of offensive expecations. He could be sporting the exact same numbers he is now with the Sox and you would be saying s*** like "it's a fluke" or "it's just a matter of time before he's exposed." Just admit you like the Cubs. It's not that difficult. Would you say that Gavin Floyd is a fluke then? His career ERA is worse than Dempster's as a starter. And BTW, I mentioned the teams that Owings has faced because I knew you'd bring up who Dempster faced.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:11 AM) LMAO. You are so full of it sometimes. Ryan Dempster's career ERA as a starter is well over 5. s***, it might be over 6. And you're slurping his ass because of a few decent starts? Lou has been babying his sorry ass all year. Taking him out just before he's about to get slammed. How many times has he gone past the 6th inning? Once? And you want to talk about competiton? He's faced the Pirates twice and the Nationals. Not to mention a Brewers team that's fallen way short of offensive expecations. He could be sporting the exact same numbers he is now with the Sox and you would be saying s*** like "it's a fluke" or "it's just a matter of time before he's exposed." Just admit you like the Cubs. It's not that difficult. Yep, I like the Cubs. There's probably no one on the planet who hates them more than I do. You were probably one of those posters earlier in the year that said their offense isn't good. It's very possible their offense ends up with one of the best hitting players at the following positions: catcher/1b/3b/lf/rf

QUOTE (CWSGuy406 @ May 4, 2008 -> 03:07 AM) Seriously? I wouldn't bet money either way, baseball's too variable and I don't know enough about Owings. If forced I'd lean towards Owings because even if he's a 5.00 ERA pitcher, he still adds value on offense. Your implication in your posts about Dempster are hilarious, though. You're certainly correct about Dempster, though -- his 22-to-19 K-to-BB ratio and his .192 BABIP don't scream "luck" one bit. Nope, not at all. What's his GO/FO ratio this year? It's been interesting watching him, as he's about 5 mph slower this season. I'm not even saying Dempster is great. It was just in response to J4Life's post that if Dempster was on Sox, I'd want him out of rotation.

C.C. is picking it up, as he's allowed only 1 run in his last 20 innings or so. Quick question for those lurking: who would you say were the players most associated with the Sox this offseason? I was thinking it was M. Cabrera, Rowand, Fukudome, and T. Hunter. Anyone else?

I'd also like to say that when it's all said and done, the Astros will get 2nd place in the NL Central. Their lineup is really solid. Tejada looks sensational so far.

QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:56 AM) Chase Utley, you are ridiculous! That 1.22 OPS is decent...think we can get him for Crede?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:56 AM) Owings vs Dempster....your thoughts? Also, I think it's ironic that you say I'm making a big deal out of the first month, as I'm probably the lone person on here who still says the Tigers will dominate this season and cruise to the AL Central title.

QUOTE (CWSGuy406 @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:54 AM) LOL -- funniest post ever. You've had a banner week making a big deal out of one month of the season for multiple players. Keep up the good work. Owings vs Dempster....your thoughts?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 02:47 AM) Of course you would. He's a Cub. If he were on the Sox you would demand that Kenny/Ozzie be fired for having him in our rotation. Yeah, that 3.16 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, and .173 batting average makes me think he should be out of the rotation. 4 of Owings 6 starts have been against the offensive powerhouses of the Giants/Padres/Dodgers to account for a 4.66 ERA. I like Owings, but he wouldn't even be higher than a 5th starter in the AL.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 4, 2008 -> 01:42 AM) I'd take Owings easily over anybody in the Cubs' rotation save Zambrano. Why? He's not exactly a stellar pitcher. I would bet money Dempster ends up with a better ERA.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 4, 2008 -> 12:32 AM) I wanna see Webb win 30 games. Here's a shock...Cubs won't face him next weekend.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 4, 2008 -> 12:32 AM) I wanna see Webb win 30 games. You have to love Augie Ojeda

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 3, 2008 -> 09:21 PM) None of that is new news. Rumors like that have been going on every week since the day Webster left. However Richmond is a problem child and Webster enjoys catering to recruits like that (as you've seen with some of the generally not good people that have come into the Illinois basketball program in the 2004 to 2007 range), so if he were to switch to UK, it wouldn't surprise me. Richmond's dad loves the attention...these rumors will continue for a long time.

Ouch, Lohse coming back to earth. What is with teams pitching to hitters with an open base (men on 2nd and 3rd) and less than 2 outs?

It's amazing the difference in the Sox 2-5 hitters compared to the Cubs. You expect nothing with the Sox, but when the Cubs 2-5 hitters are up, you're shocked if they don't reach base and score at least one run. So far, it really hurts that Fukudome looks to be a much better player than Swisher.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 3, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) So Crede's errors cost the Sox both games... not that they were going to win these games anyway, since the offense is brutal, but this is not a good way to start May off. Hopefully Dye found his swing again... If I were Ozzie i would start considering a major lineup adjustment. For example: Swisher (no one else is really an option) Cabrera Dye (It looks like he has his timing back) Thome (May be better suited behind Dye) Quentin (Call me crazy, but how can you not put him up in the lineup the way he has been hitting!) Konerko (Paulie bat 6th, am i crazy!! Umm have you seen his average, moving him down does him and everyone else good) Pierzynski (He scuffling right now.. so he can stay here) Crede (He still swinging a good stick, so its good to have balance at the bottom of the order) Uribe (The easy out should hit where the pitcher does in the NL!) Ozzie has to do something... NOT sit on his hands like he did 2007. Leadoff position doesn't mean s***. However, when it starts impacting how a player thinks at the plate, you need to make a change. I don't care if AJP leads off...as long as it's not Swisher.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 3, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) Right on. A few well timed hits can bring this team around. Nothing like a grand slam at the right time to start us on a winning streak. You always hear that hitting is contagious, well I would like to see this group of hitters coe down with the flu, or at least a cough. Well timed hits? We've only had 2 innings in the last 2 games where we had multiple hits/walks in the same inning.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ May 3, 2008 -> 07:56 PM) Good question, the offense overall is my enemy right now, its pathetic. It's definitely OC for me...terrible offensive and defensively.