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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 06:17 AM) Say what you will about the Bulls, but the only team in the NBA younger than them is the Hawks, and it's not by much. So yes, they are still very young, but with all the experience they have, youth is no excuse. Assuming that Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Wallace are your starters next year, wouldn't that be 4 guys who would be under contract for at least 10 million a year? The young guys with cheap contracts are no more. It would be really nice if Tyrus can step up and be a dependable starter.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 06:15 AM) I'm betting on Texas. And praying. If it's not Hunter, then it's Rowand...or Cameron...or Andruw Jones....or trading for Juan Pierre. Might as well hope that whoever we overpay for, they perform well.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 05:21 AM) Ridiculous. Obviously, I'm not calling for it to happen right now or during the season. However, I honestly believe Paxson will really come under fire if this team underachieves this year. It's disappointing how this team went from a team with an unlimited ceiling just a few years ago to a team that seems to have lost their fire and isn't exactly young anymore. It seems like every year, the same problems exist with this team: no true point guard and no low post offensive player.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 01:32 AM) My God I hate watching the Hawks play. I force myself to when I watch Marvin play, but it's disgusting. It's like watching an un-organized AAU team, which is really saying something. Is there a worse teammate than Josh Smith in the NBA? He's 5/12 tonight which is actually a good shooting day for him, and he still thinks he's Jordan. I would like to see an IQ test taken by him and a sack of bricks, would be a good contest. If they can trade away Smith, and AC Law proves to be an NBA PG they might really have something. Al Horford was a good pick, partially making up for Shelden Williams. Any team that employs Mario West is fine by me.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 06:06 AM) Probably true but it's not the crap I want to hear. This organization has a history of horribly mishandling young players, it better not happen to Josh. Oh trust me, there's a lot of reason to fear going on rotoworld to see what moves were made by the Sox on a particular day. I still am of the belief that the Sox should go into total rebuilding mode, but it will never happen with our GM/Manager. I'm also about 90 pct sure that the Sox will sign Hunter by this time next week.

Josh Fields will be starting for the Sox next year somewhere....don't overreact to what KW said. I heard the interview on the radio tonight, and it was totally bulls***.

Astros and Phils supposedly made a trade tonight.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 10:54 PM) Burke is a very good player, he just hasn't been given a chance. He's a natural 2B, but because of Biggio, Burke was moved to the OF or as the backup 2B. I don't think that the Sox will get him now that Biggio has retired. But, if he can be had, I'd love to have him. He can hit, he can bunt, he can run and he's relatively decent in the field. He was awful last year.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 09:46 PM) Could we really have not match Detroit's offer for Renteria? We probably could, but it would mean us taking on Renteria's contracts and lord knows we can't afford an extra 6 million or something for Renteria. Our lack of "sexy" prospects in the farm system really hurts our ability to trade. Outside of DLS and Gio, there's no one that we can put in a trade to really sweeten the pot.

Don't forget Lidge is on the market.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 09:30 PM) 4.5 million is too much for Uribe. No, it really isn't.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 08:56 PM) Not really. PODS was an injury risk, Uribe hasnt nearly missed as much time as PODS has. In Uribe we know we have a 150-160 game player at SS playing a a high level defensively. That is almost the opposite of PODS. Absolutely....stepping back a little, I have no problem with this. Compared to the contracts other SS's have, as well as who we'd have to give up, I like the flexibility that this gives us.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) question for the board. Now that Uribe is back and Richar is pegged as the early favorite for 2b, here's my question... how many .250 and below hitters, can this team afford to have, while still being able to compete for 1st place in the division? After the way last year went, I don't think it's realistic to think of what this team has to do to get 1st in a loaded division. To be honest, the goal should be for this team to be over .500 next year, and go from there.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) $13 million for 2008 probably has everything to do with it. He's not exactly 100% physically right now. After the season it was determined he didn't need ankle surgery, but trading for him now would be a huge gamble. And I think he's another person who wouldn't be surprising if his name comes up in a few weeks as part of a certain "investigation".

Oh well, that's fine. For the amount it would have cost to bring in a replacement who's not significantly better, I'm fine with this. This likely means no Eckstein, which is definitely a positive. We can definitely succeed with Uribe in the lineup as long as we upgrade in LF/CF (assuming Fields is at 3rd).

Levine reported that the Sox are still looking at trade possibilities (Everett, Hu, Aybar, etc.), but they will pick up the option if no trade is worked out.

Levine reported today the Sox will make the bigger offer in franchise history, likely something around 5 years, 80 million for Hunter as soon as they're allowed to talk contracts. He's far and away the #1 guy on their list, and he thinks Hunter will be a Sox outfielder next year.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:28 PM) With the age of our team and the thiness of our minor league system, Gio would be one of the last players I would trade. He is one of the few guys we have that looks like a major league prospect. When the Sox extended Buehrle's contract, Gio became our biggest trade chip. It wouldn't shock me at all if he's traded in the next few months. Assuming Danks can stay in the majors, we have our 2 lefty starters. Gio's the type of guys who's minor league numbers look better than he really is, IMO.

I'd be worried about Tejada with the Mitchell report coming out, and possible suspensions that could come from it.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:21 PM) Cabrera for Kong (more or less)? I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. You'd also be giving up a lot of the farm system for overrated guys like Aybar. I think Cabrera is a phenomenal player, but at this time, the Sox are in no position to have to retool the entire franchise just to trade for one guy who will be a FA in 2 years. That's why it makes a lot more sense for the Angels or Yanks, as they have only a few holes compared to our roster.

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 03:18 PM) I would make the trade in the article in a heartbeat. Then look at maybe trying to move Konerko and Crede to the Angels for a package including Kendry Morales and Erick Aybar and some low level pitchers. Aybar plays MI well, runs well and will be a good top of the order guy. The money you give up getting Cabrera, you save dealing Paulie. I think you can go get someone like Corey Patterson to play CF or give BA another shot to produce in the nine hole. That sure sounds like a situation that would make our team significantly worse.

Unless the Astros will deal Qualls and/or Pence, then please hang up the phone. That's the worst organization in baseball right now.

I'm hoping Paxson and/or Skiles get fired for this mess. Ben Wallace continues to be the worst player in the NBA with regards to production vs contract.

QUOTE(rockren @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 05:53 AM) If the Yanks do that they can kiss the chances of getting Johan from the Twins good bye. Interesting speculation that if the Mets sign ARod, they then could use Wright to trade for Johan.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 7, 2007 -> 04:16 AM) If we could get rid of both that would be spectacular. Can we get rid of all three: Walker/Farmer/Uribe?