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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:57 AM) That sounds nothing at all like the Ozzie Guillen we've come to know, in terms of not being in love with the speedy guy. Ozzie made the OBP comment, and honestly, the 2 deals we've seen have helped with that. But I still think Ozzie will focus on having a speedy guy at the top of his lineup, and unless someone here wants Podsednik in CF next year, Owens looks like the default. Exactly, I know I'm not the only person on here who will believe it when I see it.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:49 AM) There's absolutely no way anyone could possibly believe that Quentin was acquired to be a platoon player. Not a chance in hell. If Quentin comes out and plays like crap for the first two months maybe, but so long as that shoulder is healthy, Quentin is the Sox' starting LFer or RFer come April 1st. Believe me, I hope he does play full time. I just don't think Ozzie will be able to resist playing Owens. Prove me wrong Oz!

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:39 AM) Am I the only one who thinks that the reason for not dealing Konerko might not be that KW doesn't have the balls, but that no one offers the King's ransom you guys want for him? I think PK would have a ton of value on the market.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:33 AM) Why would he acquire him as a platoon guy? I am actually a little gun shy to post stats because my experience is that people like to twist the stats around. But anyways, in 2007 Quentin was awful vs. lefthanders. Yes it was an odd year for him due to injury. But why would they acquire a potentially high impact guy and tell him he's going to platoon? To get Jerry Owens in the lineup? That doesn't make sense to me and I don't think they like Owens all that much. My guess is, they are far from done and this whole picture will clear up by end of January. My prediction is we sign Rowand in the next week, and Owens will leadoff and play LF vs rhp, and Cabrera will leadoff vs lhp. It's too bad we didn't make a run at Josh Hamilton, as the Reds might be talking to the Cubs about him.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:31 AM) If the O's can get good packages for Bedard and Tejada (as well as Roberts). I"m talking major league prospects to go around there other guys they could find themselves in very good shape 2 years from now (they are coming off one awesome draft). Does it matter? They'll still be no better than a 3rd place team in that division.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:19 AM) If Kenny gave up our best position prospect with the mind of getting Quentin as a platoon guy I'd throw up. I just have to hope that isn't the case. Otherwise I love the deal because the Sox are getting a guy whose ready now and is a better bet of being a solid big leaguer (I say that because Carter needs to be great offensively to stick, since he is weak defensively while Quentin, even if he is just solid offensively will be solid because of his defensive ability and base running). I think it's definitely the case.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 02:20 AM) Well what about the other years? Who cares, he was one of the worst pitchers in the history of baseball last year (all things considered).

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 05:14 AM) I read an analysis somewhere arguing that Capuano, while imperfect, suffered more from lousy defense around him and poor relief work than with being garbage. I don't like him all that much but I might take a flier, if I were the GM, assuming the price was right and my scouts -- assuming they're any good -- tell me that he's worth it. So, I don't know. Kenny should consult all his scouts... ...or maybe not, actually. I watched most Brewers games last year, and Capuano was just awful. He would just lose his control out of nowhere, and then give up a few extra base hits. The worst part was he was getting a lot of run support early.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 01:10 AM) Agree 100%. Based on the franchise history of signing big free agents (all 3 of them in the last 30 years) there is virtually no chance in hell this happens when payroll is already at 100 mil. I suspect the White Sox already have most of the 2008 pieces now in place. Let's hope not, cause we'd be lucky to come in 4th place in the AL Central. People seem to forget just how shaky our 3/4/5 is in our starting rotation.

FWIW, Quentin was the main player I wanted in any deal if Dye was traded to the DBacks last year. He'll definitely break Sox records for HBP in a season.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) We have 5 guys of Danks quality (Danks, Gio, Broadway, Egbert, Floyd) no real need to have 6. GREAT POST! We might lead the world in AAAA arms.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 09:03 PM) 1.Konerko and his 12 million a year until 2010. 2.To me, Jackson has his arrow pointing up, while Kong has his arrow pointing down. 3.The hip scares me. 4. Jacksons OPS in 2007-835, Konerko-841. A 6 point difference isn't worth 11 million to me. 5. That money can be spent on CF 6. If not, Financial flexibility for the future. Fair enough, but I think Kotchman is going to be a better player than CoJack, and the Angels have some better pitchers to throw in.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:56 PM) All things considered, Konerko for Jackson is probably pretty even. Convince me

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:56 PM) Unless he is being part of a package for Cabrera. The Marlins might of wanted a young MLB ready OF not named Brian Anderson. Marlins needs a center fielder, as they have great young corners in Hermida and Willingham.

Micah Owings in the AL is nothing more than a #5 starter, at best. He would have fit in with the old way of thinking with his blazing 89 mph fastball. Maybe we can make him a platoon partner with Richar?

BTW, I think acquiring Quentin today should end any Miguel Cabrera rumors.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:46 PM) uribe? haha no i dunno...good question... maybe fields or cabrera Josh Fields needs to be playing 3rd base for the Sox in 2008 if he's with the organization, plain and simple.

QUOTE(The Beast @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) Conor Jackson, I believe would replace Konerko at first base. His trade proposal had Jackson going for Cabrera. Also, I think the Marlins would want significantly higher ceiling players than Gio, Danks, Sweeney and Jackson.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) it would depend on how we use the money from the konerko deal....but it could potentially work, and coudl signal the framework of a deal like danks/jackson/sweeney maybe gio for cabrera Who would play 1b for the Sox?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:23 PM) That deal is incredible for us. No, it wouldn't be good at all. Owings is nothing special as a starter. I like the idea of getting Kotchman and one of the Angels starters much more.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:18 PM) I like this deal but anyone else think it could be a prelude to a bigger deal...meaning Quentin, Fields and Danks for Cabrera or Bedard? No...he'll be our LF, and hopefully Owens will be the designated pr. In a perfect world, this would move Dye to LF, and Quentin would be in RF. KW...go get us a CF!

I like the trade, but if this is it...oh boy. However, if we go out and get a CF (hopefully not Crisp), I'd love this deal.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 06:04 AM) //A diverting rant That's going to be such a joke. Baseball is going to be crucified. Meanwhile, is anything ever mentioned about Shawne Merriman being suspended for steroids? Nope -- hell, he's featured in that neat little commercial Nike (?) has out. It pisses me off the way the media perceives steroids/PEDs in baseball versus steroids/PEDs in football. It's true....I can't even start to think about how out of control the coverage of this will be. There's 5 players in baseball that if they're named, the s*** will really hit the fan.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 05:52 AM) Do I detect jealousy from you? 'Cause I am a little jealous -- I wish our system had something to offer, and big bucks to spend (from free agents to draft picks) and whenever big players like Santana, Bedard, Cabrera become available...we can't get them? It hurts. Baseball's just so out of whack right now. If the Yanks and Red Sox are the only teams that can get certain players, it really makes the playing field more uneven. I can't wait for the Mitchell Report to come out, and many of the superstars in baseball to be named.

The Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are really going to make the next few weeks even more annoying than they usually do.