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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 12:52 AM) Bases loaded 0 out in Milwaukee. It all stated on a leadoff strikeout...except Barrett dropped the ball and couldn't throw the runner out. Brewers on pace to leave 20 men on base.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 12:37 AM) Clutch my ass He's so worthless at the plate. He doesn't contribute in any offensive facet to the team.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 12:02 AM) How in the world did this team just go and forget how to bunt? That would mean they knew how to bunt in the first place. I love bunting in the 2nd inning against a very good offense and one of the slowest guys in baseball on 2nd base. Great managing!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:51 PM) Ya, I just take everything out during the game, then when it's over...which is usually like the 7th inning...I'm over it. Exactly! I actually really enjoyed the last 24 hours or so on this site when talking about the future of this team, etc. I know every Ozzie or KW debate is going to get heated...but that's what is great about this site.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:47 PM) And we strand 2. What the f*** else is new? It's a shame that I don't even get that worked up anymore if we win or lose. I was fine about 5 minutes after the game yesterday. The past 2 years, it would take me about an hour to move on with my life, as strange as that sounds.

5 responses to my question....I love you guys! QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:38 PM) you know, the kind of hits we never ever get. Heaven forbid we ever score from first on a double also.

Could Owens or another outfielder have caught Abreu's double?

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 11:24 PM) Are you f***ing serious Iguchi/ How bad was his fielding error?

Two things: - How could anyone argue the Colon trade was a gamble? It was probably the most lopsided deal in Sox history, and a main reason it was completed was thanks to the Yanks trying to make sure the Red Sox didn't get him. - Every pitcher I know loves to pitch in the cold.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:32 PM) Ok I can agree with that. I like that plan and I like your idea. I don't watch Abreu enough to know that he is lazy. I heard that Texiera is kinda like Soriano last year - a whole lotta talk. Good prospects don't always pan out. That is the only problem I have with that. I want ML ready talent and teams are reluctant to give that up because it is cheap productive talent that they can keep for years. We would absolutely hate Abreu. He's lazier than Pods at the plate and in the field....and he make 533% more money. Of course, I'm sure he'll kick our ass now this series.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:11 PM) Personally, I think Fields is going to be a strikeout machine, but I think the Sox should see what they have with him pretty soon if they aren't going to trade him. You might as well do it now. Its not like they'll be losing much, Crede has been awful. It's a freaking joke that we didn't get him playing time in LF during the offseason and then in Spring Training.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:16 PM) So in other words F-U-C-K the real thing - lets go after cheap prospects who MAY be good. What if they got Abreu for half the salary then went after 2 relievers and brought up Chris Getz? I doubt we ever spend that much for relievers anyway. It doesn't seem very smart to spend that type of money on relievers. You usually don't get your money's worth. If he wants to spend that much money on an outfielder for next year, then hold on to Dye the rest of this year, get the high compensation picks, and then go after Ichiro. Bobby Abreu is a bad baseball player. He's lazy, and his power numbers make it look obvious he was a steroid user. Oh, and the last thing we need is another guy who can't his lefty starting pitching. I was reading a scouting report on Abreu the other day about how he looks like he's done. BTW, Jermaine Dye is likely to be the best power hitter, along with Teixeira, that could possibly be available come the trading deadline. You absolutely should expect to get good prospects in return.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 09:04 PM) Boo Dye and Abreu - Hooray prospects! I really don't understand this logic. Unless of course this prospect is major league ready - but then why would the other team do that deal. Because for the amount of money that Abreu would take up, I'd rather get a few projectable minor leaguers and then go spend that 16 million dollars on 2 relievers and a 2nd baseman.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 08:27 PM) They are mad about that? What is he supposed to say? That is ludicrous! Where did you hear or read this? I was happy to see all of them go besides McDowell. On the Score this morning, they said members within the organization were upset that he didn't seem to care if he stayed with the team or not.

That's easy...the Cubs. We have three teams in our division to compete with better than any team in their division. If they win 85 games this year, there's a great chance they make the playoffs. We'd have to win at least 90 games, if not more.

QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:48 PM) how about getting matt capps from the pirates? this year he is 2-2 with a 2.97 era, and last year he posted a 3.77 era, but also pitched 80 innings out of the pen, so he is a horse. and how about picking up al reyes from TB? he has a 2.19 era this year in 24 innings oh and he is hitting .333 in his career, so maybe he can pinch hit for konerko sometime The Pirates want the world for him.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) These pitchers are basically crap. They should do better than Aaardsma and MaaacDougal have done, but worse than what you would have thought would have been average for them. This is beyond embarrassing right now.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) So are the extra strikeouts and significant drop off in defense worth a few extra walks? Especially when Crede has a history of being a decent hitter. I'd have no problem with more strike outs if Fields can hit more doubles and walk more. Crede is having an incredible unproductive year at the plate. And don't forget that Fields will also give us more speed on the bases, and break up the 3-7 plodders this team has.

Now I'm actually kinda worried that this trade might happen. Sounds like the organization is pissed that Dye said baseball is a business, and if he gets traded, he'll go play hard somewhere else. Only in this organization can someone say the politically correct thing....and get in hot water for it.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:35 PM) It's because he's the best candidate in the organization at "long man." If not for the second game of the season against CLE and the Cubs' Sunday sweep avoider, he would be history too. The only solution is to flip-flop him with Gavin Floyd, Lance Broadway, Heath Phillips or Charles Haeger. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't. He has definitely shown some flashes, though. Maybe we can just pitch Masset when the wind is blowing in 20 mph or it's 20 degrees out.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) I think there's a really good chance this deal happens. Rosenthal wrote that the Sox like the option of keeping Abreu for $16MM in '08. To me, that says they know they'll need to sign a major league OF for next season, but they don't feel they can go long-term which rules out signing a premier free agent. So instead, they like the idea of blowing $16M on Abreu because it will only be 1 year. So the deal would combine 2 great Sox features: Ozzie Guillen cronyism + half-assed solutions to avoid long-term financial commitment. This makes no sense at all! Let's just basically throw away any chance at improving the team in the offseason by giving Abreu 16 million. That would make him one of the highest paid players in baseball....and he's not even one of the top 50 players in baseball. He's also probably the only guy over the last few seasons who has struck out looking more than Pods has.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 04:14 PM) Well, at least we know that Abreu doesn't upgrade our RF defense. Anybody see that brilliant play he made in last night's game? Abreu is one of the worst players in baseball when you combine his production with his salary.

Bad news: the Score hosts confirmed that Ozzie and Abreu are close buddies.

Pie's faster....but that's nothing to be ashamed about.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 05:38 AM) The Tigers just released Jose Mesa. Signing him would move KW a step closer to his dream of acquiring all of the key 1990s Cleveland Indians players. I look forward to his eventual signing of a 45-year old Omar Vizquel as well Funny that you mention Mesa and Vizquel. If they were on the same team, they might kill each other.