fathom

We pushed our starting pitchers too hard at the beginning of the year, instead of letting them ease into the season. Part of the reason why we acquired Vazquez, or at least we were told, was to let McCarthy fill-in for some of our starters if they experienced this fatigue. How many times this year did Ozzie leave a starter out for the 7th or 8th inning, especially when we were losing, when he could have gone to the bullpen and maybe saved 20 pitches on our starter's arm?

What a disappointing end to a terrific season for Crede.

Great game by Crede tonight...let him get his 30th homer, and then shut his ass down for the year.

No one else I'd rather have up in a non-clutch situation than Thome.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:55 AM) they say you win if you are strong up the middle....hmmmm he was one of the first pieces in the building process that ultimately led to his wearing a WS ring with the rest of the 2005 guys! book it! Weren't the Phillies better w/o Rowand in CF this year?

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:54 AM) go back and read VASOXFANs allstar post....you laughed at his wisdom....! where's this thread? FWIW, I was one of the main proponents on this site for upgrading our offense, even though everyone kept saying it was the pitching that needed upgrading.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:52 AM) At least give the guy his due for all that. He should always be remembered as a key part of the 2005 Sox. I'll remember him for his great commentary during the Pods walkoff, as well as how excited he was when we won it all.

Ah Neal Cotts....treasure 2005, it was a fluke.

manager....what could he have done at the ASB if things went bad? There was absolutely no trade market this season, with so many teams in contention.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:47 AM) Frank and Magglio have it in for us for sure. At least Ozzie hasn't egged them on by acting like an immature P.O.S.

Good job Jermaine...Thome would have just K'd anyways.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:43 AM) since you arent able to have a memory here we go one more time: take notes please for gods sake! YOU RESPECT YOUR WS CHAMPION PLAYERS BY KEEPING THEM! AT LEAST THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS! GM couldve reevaluated at All-Star break.... What was he going to re-evaluate at the ASB? Everyone in the world thought we'd coast to the playoffs with a 6 game lead in the WC. We did keep the major contributors from the postseason.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:41 AM) What's the deal with Urbina anyway? Is he still in jail, is he gonna be able to play this year? Unless season 3 of "Prison Break" is filmed in Venezuela, he's not going to be playing in the majors anytime soon.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) I honestly don't care. If Urbina would be willing to pitch for fairly cheap I'd sign him right now, machete and all. He'd bring new meaning to the term "throwing gas on the fire".

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:36 AM) Don't you know that it is trying hard that wins, not actual talent. This sounds like an argument a college spots fan makes when their team has a bad recruiting class.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:35 AM) It wouldn't suprise me if he came to the Sox, he is one of Ozzies buddies. I think Ozzie said he went to visit him in jail over the winter. And like the good guy he is, he asked Ozzie if he wanted him to kill someone in that jail who had killed Ozzie's best friend.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:35 AM) i respect Arow as a baseball player...you spit on him and bring up .230 average to support your dislike... Well...how dare SSI bring up a player's stats.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:34 AM) and this whole season hasn't been? No, it hasn't been embarrassing. I'm all for being negative, but it hasn't been embarrassing.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:33 AM) I never even thought about Uggy Urbina. That would be embarassing. There were people on this site earlier this year saying that his attempted murder charge wasn't too big of a deal, and that he's a good guy.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:32 AM) I got 5 bucks on the runner scoring from third via wild pitch. Seriously, why was Thornton taken out? Is he injured? Thornton needs to decide if he'll be a power hitter or a speed player.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:31 AM) How many balls bounced in front of Rowand when he broke back on the swing. Bobby Jenks had a few blown saves againt Cleveland that come to mind. We never have the JOE CREDE moment if Rowand doesn't misjudge a line drive to center field that allowed the Indians to tie the game.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:31 AM) SOXFEST IS GONNA BE FUN THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What time will the autograph sessions with Juan Pierre and Uggy Urbina be?

QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:30 AM) It is not tough to get a base hit here or there with RISP. The Sox can't do it for some reason though. The bunts and hit-and-runs have been pretty to watch.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:29 AM) That is solid baseball from the Tigers. Their execution and managing is amazing tonight. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:29 AM) I really dont know how to respond to this. I use stats, and measurable evidence to support my point. And you smile and giggle at your autographed Rowand poster and dream of last year and the 3 stooges. The stats also don't show the late game defensive struggles that Rowand had last year.

I'm 100 pct convinced that our manager should be fired for how this team has laid down since the ASB....too bad it will never happen.