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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 12:53 AM) Which is just so ungodly stupid... Every single thing that's been written in the paper over the last two months indicates that Pierre has just as good of a chance being our starting CF next year as does Brian Anderson.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 12:52 AM) Are you saying he will be a bust? Step out, one side of the fence or the other. Ozzie...I never said he'd be a bust. However, I don't think he's strong enough to be a productive hitter in the majors right now. I think he can become a very good MLB hitter....you'd just like to see him drive the ball with more authority as he matures.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 12:50 AM) Which is why fields is our top prospect for 2007 Yep, and it's not even close. BTW, whoever said that Pierre will be our CF next year is reading my mind.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 12:44 AM) How long until people start saying Sweeney is the next White Sox outfield prospect bust? I've said this all along, but he reminds me too much of Sean Burroughs right now. Hopefully he drives the ball better than Burroughs did.

There is a big difference between Fields and Sweeney right now in regards to how the ball jumps off their bat.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 03:27 PM) once again, its ONE down year. He is one of the most consistently good pitchers in the entire MLB. You dont just give up on your best pitcher, your Ace, your staff leader because he had one down year. Mark has a career 3.63 ERA, find me a replacement for that type of production. Every pitcher will have a bad year or two, its called baseball. I'm more concerned about how many innings he's logged. Trust me, there's no bigger Buehrle supporter than myself. However, I do have some concerns about his ability to keep his ERA under 4 for the next few years. He's going to get paid like a superstar....I just am not sure if his best years are behind him.

Real cool back page picture with our 3-4-5 greeting AJP at home, with the names on the back of their jerseys perfectly aligned.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) Yeah, and his down year may give us a chance to sign him at a discount below what market price would be. Is there any team in the MLB that wouldnt want Mark on their team? I dont think so. And that's why KW has to try and see what type of extension Buehrle and his agent are looking for. I think it's going to be in the range of 4/48...and that's just too risky for the way he's looked this year.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 03:02 PM) Well, one of Contreras/Buehrle/Garcia/Garland/Vazquez/McCarthy has to go. Which one is up to KW, and I'll trust him to make the right choice. I wonder what he'll even try to get in return for any of them. And hey, maybe this win was that magical "fuse" we needed to light. Let's just hope it's not another dud, and that Oz E. Coyote doesn't try to play around with it too much and have it blow up in his face. The more things progress, the more I'm not so sure McCarthy will be on this team next season.

Here's the question you have to consider: With next year being Garcia's contract year, will he be trying his hardest all year and pushing himself, or will he conserve his arm in order to be healthy when the season is over?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) You dont just go and trade your Ace of the last 4 years because he had a down year. Thats ridiculous. No, but if he's in the last year of his deal, and he's looking at a very big contract after the 2007 season, you have to consider it.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) He's had at least 20 opportunities to do so. STFU about Frank. It makes him look like the petty kitty he is. Did you see the new Ozzie/Ordonez pissing contest? I haven't seen any posts regarding it, but it's another situation that makes me sick. Now, that's twice in the last two weeks where Ozzie tried to say that two of the greatest players in Sox history weren't great baseball players when they were here.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 12:30 PM) No intensity, no heart, etc. So what do you call the Pierzynski home run against Cleveland, bailing out the bullpen the next night, that eight inning performance by Jose Contreras against Anaheim... These are just examples in the last couple of weeks. I saw two of the greatest games I've ever seen in my life this year, one in Wrigley on a Pierzynski home run, and one in the Cell when the White Sox pulled off the valiant effort against my Red Sox. This team has played with heart, with desire, with intensity? Thing's just didn't go there way. As Rock said, that's baseball. I know on MVP you'll see the White Sox win the World Series, but this isn't a video game. Sometimes people get hurt, sometimes people don't perform as you'd expect them to. Sometimes teams with the most talent on paper don't perform as you'd expect them to. This team played with all of the things many people on here are mocking. Be reasonable and not laughable. You aren't going to win the World Series every year, lose that mindset, or stop watching the White Sox altogether, because seeing them win another championship in the next ten years would be a treat that many fans of teams won't be able to see. I agree that there's a reason some teams are better off being paper champions. However, if you watched this team play every single inning of every game, you would see some serious hustle issues which really hurt this team this season. The last straw, for me, was that 2nd Angels game when Pods didn't run all the way on his stolen base, and then AJP didn't hustle in for a double late in the game. The Sox ended up losing that game in extra innings. Also, the comments in the media by our players haven't made it seem like they've sensed any urgency to turn things around during the 2nd half of the season.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) Yes.. good KW. Keep on b****ing and moaning about something that means nothing once the last out is recorded... Yawn... Work on fixing things at home and shut your effing mouth about Frank until it's to give him your congrats when he picks up the come back player of the year award. Of course it's dumb for KW to finally speak up, just because it was Frank that came back to haunt his team. However, I do like that finally someone has called out our pitchers/catchers/pitching coach/Ozzie on the pitch selection we've seen this year.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:35 AM) Freddy, once again, Starting to get in the corner with Kal however, hopefully he isn't pitching himself into a rotation spot next season...... I said that in the game thread...I hope he pitches well enough to raise his trade value, but not well enough to where we bring him back over Mark.

QUOTE(beautox @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:30 AM) looks like jenks has all his pitches back. I agree i think josh could depending on both winter ball and ST be our starting LF and possibly leading off depening on the Uribe situation. heres another question do you think josh has 5 tool player potential, if he learns the strike zone more and cuts down on his Ks brings up his BB? a possible 30 30 man down the road? No, he's not that fast. Don't be fooled by his SB numbers this year....those guys would run every time they got on base. Is this the same game last year in the season of the Rally Crede?

QUOTE(knightni @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:25 AM) Fields looks like an alternative rock band member in his pic. His face looks like that of Mr. Unprepared, Chris Widger.

He flew out, which means he hasn't decided if he's a power hitter or a speed player yet. TRADE HIM NOW!

The ball flies off of Fields' bat.

Fields is up.

QUOTE(knightni @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 02:10 AM) My prediction - Stairs released after this series. He used to own Sox pitching. There's no one that Ozzie fears more than Matt Stairs.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 01:59 AM) i hope freddy's back next year. does that get me suspended? Personally, I'd rather go into next year with a rotation of Garland, Contreras, Buerhle, Vazquez, and McCarthy. This great end of season run by Garcia though is definitely going to boost his trade stock.

How much you want to bet that Garcia finds 3 mph on his fastball during his contract year?

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 01:47 AM) Good point. Maybe it comes down to who agrees to an extension first? For me, it comes down to who can get you a better package of players back. I wonder what a team like the Mets would give up for Buehrle? Milledge?

I want Freddy to do well...but not too well to the point that KW might think he's turned the corner for next year. Sad to say, but Garcia shows me more potential to pitch decent for next year than Buehrle does.