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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:39 PM) Are you even trying to make sense? When did he find every excuse? When did he say he LOVES Vaz and doesnt feel comfortable with BMAC? Kw made the trade, stop blaming Ozzie for everything you dont like. Even when McCarthy was pitching great in 2005, Ozzie still found every excuse to keep Duque in the rotation. Then, whenever one of our starters sucked last year, he'd say things like the infamous "he's not Cy Young". Do you really think that Ozzie doesn't have a say in our transactions? There's been a few times in the past few years where KW mentioned that his coaches told them to go get such and such player.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:39 PM) Anything less then signing Zito will be a disapointment at this point... That would make this trade even worse.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:34 PM) Yeah, Ozzie pulled the trigger on this deal......get real. Let's see....Ozzie LOVES Vazquez, and hates McCarthy. Ozzie never felt comfortable starting McCarthy, as he found every excuse possible to not start him.

This makes the Vazquez trade even more disasterous, as now we have to trade McCarthy before we could even tell how he'd be as a normal starting pitcher. Why couldn't Ozzie have just retired after winning the WS like he said he would?

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:27 PM) It would be had he made moves that made sense. Our two best moves this offseason were our two smallest....re-signing MacDougal and bringing in Hall.

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) losing Garcia and McCarthy.... isnt the team pretty much the same if we have a decent fifth starter and someone in RH relief that takes to it better than Brandon (not hard) Who in the world is going to be our 5th starter? I hate to break it to people, but none of these guys we've added are close to being a starter in the American League this season.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) He's been saying were making sure were ready in the future all offseason long. I didn't know he meant we were rebuilding because at this point, there are too many question marks for a team that supposed to be a WS contender. This isn't a WS contender right now. We have huge holes in LF, CF, and the #5 starter.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:23 PM) BTW, IMO the chances of Anderson getting shipped off just went up a ton. Why's that?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:21 PM) Maybe another move is coming, so it will make some more sense, but I just don't get it. As it stands, Hager-Floyd-Danks-Sisco-Gio will be going out for the 5th spot. That's a huge gamble in itself. What happens if Count goes down again? Or a freak injury happens. Isn't that what killed this organization from 01-04? And fixing that is what got us a championship in 05, right? Also, isn't Kenny sort of contradicting himself with some of these moves. I understand Danks Arb clock hasn't even started, but it sounded like the goal of this off-season was to get rid of the expiring contracts so we had a core locked up for while. Doesn't trading Mack go against all of that??? KW needs to keep his mouth shut, because he's been nothing but hypocritical this offseason. We've now made two moves that significantly hurts the 2007 team, which is something he said we'd never do.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) i really dont get it since mccarthy is cheap and young, but danks is a better prospect than mccarthy was, is younger and is lefthanded, so i understand his addition....i just thought we coulda landed baldelli or someone fo that ilk that can help us now for bmac on another note...the sox sure do love the danks boys, they tried to get the younger brother even though he had a strong commitment to texas when the sox grabbed him in the 18th round or so last year IT'S BECAUSE OZZIE GUILLEN DOES LIKE BRANDON MCCARTHY! I hope he goes to Texas and wins the Cy Young.

So we won't trade McCarthy for Crawford or Rocco, but we'll trade him for two pitching prospects from a terrible organization at developing pitchers? What in the world is KW planning to do with our rotation in 2008?

KW better have some other move in mind to either drastically upgrade our outfield or acquire another starting pitcher.

I hate Ozzie Guillen. What a disasterous trade. I hope everyone that loves prospects is happy.

I was actually told a few days ago that scout.com is a horrific site for baseball, and there so-called "experts" are not to be trusted. With that in mind, this proposed trade of 3 big Toronto chips for Penny is laughable.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) Because wells>Rios. I dont ever think Rios will be close to the player that Wells is IMO. Rios showed huge improvements last year, and he's one of the few young guys in the majors who legitimately have five tools. I was very impressed with how the ball jumped off of his bat last year. You're right though, trading a starter away would leave too much of a gaping hole.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) Thats not correct, it was rumored they would offer Millege and Heilman for Rios and another top prospect from the Jays. No matter who that other prospect is from Toronto, the Mets package is a hell of a lot more than what some people on here think we could offer for Rios. Once the Wells contract rumors started, there was some talk that Toronto might be interested in Vazquez.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) He isnt worth nearly what Wells was worth, and has really only had about 1 half of a good season. I wouldnt expect top packages for him IMO. Then be prepared to be shocked at what the Jays get offered. There's some speculation that the Mets might offer Lastings and Heilman for him. I wouldn't be stunned if we offered Vazquez and a prospect for Rios.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) I don't know much either, just saw him do it in ST last year and he played a couple games in OF late this past season. He seems to have some of the skills for it. But I really don't know if he is (or can be) that good. I just think Ozzie and others are pointing him in that general direction. But KW seems to want Terrero to be that guy. Jerry Owens is a well-below average defensive MLB center fielder. From everything I've seen and heard about him, he's not even close to being ready to contribute in the majors offensively or defensively.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 01:56 AM) Very good, plus he hits LHP and has been an everyday player many a time for that minor league team known as the DRays. This is a fantastic deal and we got him for a lot cheaper than I thought (assuming that the 3 mill plus figure is over the course of 2 years, meaning he gets just over 1.5 million a year which is nice. I love this deal because it makes sense. Just like before the 2005 season where we made a few moves that just seemed so logical. That offseason, we didn't have a starting catcher, and AJP was on the market looking for a team. Also, we didn't have a realistic 2nd baseman, and Iguchi was lurking as a FA. This offseason, we desperately needed a back-up catcher who could hit LHP. Hall is a great fit because he's a contact hitter, and that's very important because of the tough LHP we face. We could have spent 3 million more on this deal for him, and I would have been happy.

Think of it this way....Borchard, Baj, and Gload are now Thornton, Cintron, and Sisco. Like I've been saying, these are the deals KW excels at.

Great trade...I like Gload, but as long as PK and Thome are healthy, he's useless on our team. Sisco has a lot of potential, and we just have to get him to slow down out there. Hopefully this means we're going to add another righty hitter off the bench.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) Bye Javy..... That would be fantastic!

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 03:00 AM) That's interesting, because the Cards were the ones insisting that the Schmidt deal wasn't done the first day it was reported because his agent told them they were still in the running. Apparently, they were making quite an offer to him, despite preliminary reports (which proved to be correct) that he had signed with the Dodgers. The Cards knew that they'd have to offer the 4th year in order to get Schmidt to play in the midwest. They weren't willing to do that, as they didn't want the extra year/money on the books.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 02:56 AM) Was that when he was at the majors or when he was hitting in AAA for Ottawa (because he had some pretty nice numbers to finish off the season with in AAA IIRC). It was when he was in Ottawa. He definitely ended up strong, as his numbers were mediocre around the ASB. I just can't imagine him being our 4th outfielder having to face the tough lefties in our division.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 12:34 AM) Isn't it absolutely amazing how Ozzie will go to great lengths, even lose ballgames, in order to get the lefty-righty matchup with his lineup, but then he'll leave Neal Cotts in against a righty who is 3/3 with 3 home runs in his career against him? If you know more than him, then why aren't you the manager of the White Sox?