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QUOTE(peanut33tillman @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 12:15 AM) I dont know how we've faired against Texas but I swear to god it seems as if we can't ever beat these assholes 3-6 last year

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 12:11 AM) Since when did the Rangers pitching staff get good. s***. Have you seen our lineup? It looks like a split-squad team.

Yep....we suck

Everyone's swinging out of their ass with RISP.

Well....that was absolutely pathetic.

Iguchi is a lucky, lucky man.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 11:56 PM) Awesome job Javy. If only you could read this thread. :headshake

Good job by Vazquez keeping us in the game.

Vazquez went back to his fastball, and got two outs. Kinsler is a huge batter in this game.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) That was horrible Vazquez. Just horrible. He's the king of the big inning. This game's one swing from being over.

Vazquez is in full meltdown mode now. I love how the Rangers didn't give up the first out of the inning by having Young bunt.

Bases loaded, no outs. Cintron sure doesn't have any range.

I can't believe someone said that Matthews Jr. wouldn't be an upgrade over our current CF situation. Time to avoid the typical Vazquez big inning.

Had to listen to the first 2 innings on the radio. So far, it sounds like 3/4 of our infield has been unable to make a play. Vazquez sounds like he has good stuff. Get well soon Thome!

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) Basically, some damn good pitchers who are having poor halves. I count 6 guys that would net you a hell of a lot more than Rowand. Who? The only ones who have any trade value left are Felix, C. Lee, and Bedard. The rest of the guys are old veterans with bloated contracts.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:32 PM) Garland is beyond dreadful. There are currently 97 pitchers in MLB who have pitched enough innings to qualify for leading the league in ERA. Garland is ranked 92. Doesn't sound like a guy due $22 million total for 2007 and 2008. His numbers are Jaime Navarro-esque. But....but....but....he's an 18 game winner.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:22 PM) At Garland's worst, he's going to win you about 10-12 games, give you a league average ERA and eat up 200+ innings. Couple that with his upside and he's a valuable commondity. He's worth much more than an average hitting/good defensive CF. Aaron Rowand man love is kind of creepy. Besides, I thought Kirk Hinrich was the new Aaron Rowand. Considering I was not exactly a Rowand lover on this site, you're arguing with the wrong person about Rowand's greatness. As you said, at Garland's worst, he wins you 10-12 games. That's not exactly a promising statement about someone who's going to be making almost 10 million a year. The funny thing is that I would have never thought I'd see the day where I can clearly state that if this team had Rowand this season, and not Garland, we'd be a better overall team.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:12 PM) "Terrible"? That's a pretty bold statement, and one that would be more accurately used to describe someone like Anderson (at the plate, at least). His numbers don't look good so far this year, but he's still a ML-caliber player. He had an OBP of .385 and hit 29 jacks last season, so I wouldn't say he's washed up just yet. All you have to do is watch Edmonds play, and you can see he's clearly on the downside of his career. He's lost more than one step in the outfield, and his swing has more holes in it than the bottom of the Sox lineup. Mulder is another pitcher who it looks like he's past his peak. He threw a ton of innings during the early part of his career, and he hasn't looked the same for over a year now. Some team's going to overpay for him this offseason.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:11 PM) So basically what you're saying is the Phillies are going to build their team around your poor man's Mark Kotsay. Not only that, they're not going to take an 18 game winner for him, straight up. And, you're the one shaking your head? Wait, so Rowand is terrible now, and Garland's this glorious 18 game winner? If Garland is struggling to keep the ball in the park, I'm sure the Phillies would want him then also. :puke Garland's value is definitely not what it was, as he's not exactly a cheap commodity anymore. He might be signed for a few more years, but you're not getting a bargain if you trade for him. The Phillies have their 4 building blocks in place on offense, and it's Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Rowand. Now, they want some pitchers to go along with Hamels, Myers, and Floyd.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:02 PM) I can't believe people actually write crap like this. You can't really believe what you're saying. :headshake QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:03 PM) Jim Edmonds can't contribute in the majors? Unless he's suffered some injury that I'm unaware of, that's not really an accurate statement. He's terrible now. His body has broken down, as his bat speed has diminished significantly. Also, he's about to go on the DL. QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 10:02 PM) I can't believe people actually write crap like this. You can't really believe what you're saying. Yep....I can't believe that I wrote that the Phillies would want to keep a fairly cheap CF, and unload their huge contracts in RF/LF, in order to free up money to acquire a top starting pitcher. Maybe I should go buy an XBox, and come up with more trade proposals that clog this site that don't have a chance in hell of ever taking place.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 09:02 PM) The Cubs have scored 5 in the 4th to take a 5-1 lead over the Cardinals. I think I heard the announcers say the Cardinals have had 3 errors this inning. Yep, Rolen's defense has been a disaster all season against the Cubs. He lost them the game last night with his error. Does anyone know why Pujols left the game with an injury?

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 07:53 PM) Haeger and Rogo is a solid starting offer. It is? I don't think either guy is anywhere close to being considered a big time prospect. Why do the Phillies need Rogo? They have Howard at 1B. Rowand is the center piece of the new style of play the Phillies are going for, and Burrell/Abreu are more likely to be traded than Rowand is.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 07:48 PM) Garland can be traded, he would just have to agree to it. If the Sox ask for his permission to trade him and its to a place like Philly, he might accept it. I would not be suprised if Haeger and Rogo went to Philly for Rowand. The Phillies would laugh at that offer. Rowand's playing excellent for them right now.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) No. They're just cheap and have bad management. And the fans were pissed when Alou was let go. Yep, they're so cheap they've been among the top 6 or 7 in payroll over the last 5 years, and they spent a fortune on their bullpen this offseason.

QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) I put this loss on Ozzie. He hit for BA in the 8th with 2 outs, runner on. Then ANOTHER ball sails over Mackowiac's head that BA would have gotten to, IMO. I was sitting in the front row of 162 so I had a pretty good angle on it. I think BA makes that play (Pretty easily actually) and we go into the bottom of 9 tied with the top of the order comming up. Mack just does not go back for a ball very well, period. Macs play in center has cost us runs in the past but last night is cost us the game. Ozzie didn't have one of his better games last night. Seemingly every move he made back-fired.