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I know what you're saying, but we were also a few feet away from Vlad putting the game out of reach in the 8th. There's no moral victories at this point in the season. Win...or go home! Tomorrow is a HUGE game, and we'll be in a big hole if we lose.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 05:11 AM) Fathom...what you said about the infield D...I know you're not puttin Uribe and Paulie in that group. I guess that's one of the biggest things that's bothered me about Crede lately. Now I don't know the guy personally from s***....but he just looks so f***in' nonchalant out there and it pisses me off to no end. I was referring to Crede especially, and AJP and Iguchi a little bit as well. Uribe has been playing amazing D, and PK has been good. I just see a lack of focus by Crede in the field, as well as some nerves. He was lucky his defense didn't cost us any games vs the Red Sox, and it already contributed in a big way to the Angels win tonight.

I think the crowd was a little quiet early on in the game because a lot of the fans just expected the Sox to win this game easily. Oh well, it was still a blast, and I find it hard to get mad at things right now.

One more thing: STOP TRYING TO STEAL 2ND PODS! Outside of a few games vs a Pudge-less Tigers team, Pods has been pathetic trying to steal 2nd base. Screw it, I have no problem putting guys in motion, but don't be so predictable with Pods. Either put on a hit-and-run with Iguchi, or have him steal on something other than the first pitch. Everyone at the park could see Molina set up outside with the pitch-out likely coming.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 04:51 AM) I know i wanted him to pinch hit for rowand and i am pretty sure that cheat and fathom did too ( even though we are probally his three biggest haters). believe it or not timo had a better chance of touching k-rod than rowand will ever have. As the founder of OMIT TIMO, I would have loved to see him bat for Crede. However, Crede has been clutch this year, so I understand why he batted. I'd also rather see anyone else on the team besides Pods bat after the 6th inning.

I was at the game tonight, and I'm not too upset with the loss. It was a game we should have won, but s*** happens. Here's some thoughts: - I'm not ready to blame Ozzie for tonight, but Scioscia managed a superior game tonight. - I know some have complained about the crowd, but basically the whole park was standing the last 3 innings. - The Angels put so much more pressure on the Sox to make the good play tonight. When we were bunting, Figgins and Erstad were charging big time. When Figgins was bunting, we basically just sat back and let him get the runner over. - If we keep challenging Vlad all series, we're going to get burned. - Our infield defense just doesn't seem to be energized (besides Uribe, who's been sensational). - Rowand can't bunt! - Pods is a terrible late inning player. Someone needs to tell him you only get 3 strikes, so that he'll swing the f'n bat. - We're going to need Timo to get a big hit this series. Guys like Rowand, Crede, and Uribe are overmatched against the tilts of KRod and Shields.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) I would not trade Neal right now, he's to damn good and to damn cheap at this point. As much as Damaso has sucked he'll still have some decent trade value. Don't forget the possibility of Cotts becoming a starter down the road. Not a chance in hell I would trade him. Marte, on the other hand, might as well put his Chicago residence on the market.

Great post Zoom

Just keep Michael Jordan away from the field.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) He also has done them for White Sox games. And Blackhawks games (which would resonate with White Sox fans). And Wolves games. And Bulls games. See what I'm saying? He's a local celebrity, a gunshot survivor and a damn good singer. I know he's done some Sox games in the past, but he's closely associated with the Cubs.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) You want to get the crowd going? Two words: Wayne Messmer. Best. National Anthem Singer. Ever. Yeah, nothing better than getting the guy who signs the national anthem for Cubs games to come and sing the anthem for one of the bigger games in Sox history.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) Who the hell the Yankees got in CF? Tony Womak? Case in point I suppose. Also would be interested in signing Matsui if the Yanks do indeed fail to negotiate a new contract by the deadline... Yankees will have either Damon or Hunter in CF next season.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) Who is going to overpay for Rowand and give the Sox value? That's an interesting concept. A team that wants to improve their defense up the middle. There are quite a few teams that could be interested in him.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) I disagree that he will continue the same numbers. His career trends right now show this year as an outlier in the last 5. I think he will regress a bit. Not only that, but I think he is a terrible replacement for Konerko at 1B. And if this organization wants to pencil in a player that has 1 career game at 1B as their starter for next year, be prepared to be very angry with them. That is not a move that you make after a successful year like this. That is a Royals move and i would lose alot of confidence in our managment if we use a stopgap like that. There is no reason to hold the team together with duct tape. If moving Dye to 1b allows the Sox to acquire some superstar offensive hitters at other positions, I'm all for the move. If they put Dye at 1b, and move Anderson to RF, then you're looking at a 3rd place team next season.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Dye has been injury prone in his career, and it wasnt just a freak accident. Why do you think we got him for such a bargain. There is no real proof that he will continue to play as well as he has, based on his career numbers and trends. He will not play 1B for us, and if anything he will be a DH in the future. A lot of Dye's injuries happened from diving in the outfield. You would eliminate that aspect with him at 1b. Most experts thought that if Dye stayed healthy at the Cell, he'd hit 30 homers.

FWIW, the rumor going around is that the Phillies are going to try and sign Wagner for 3 yr/27 million.

Oh boy.....not more Chavez rumors!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) Well, didnt he hurt himself at the plate 2 years ago? I dont think it has much to do with it. Well, I guess fluke injuries basically mean the Sox shouldn't go after a lot of players. If you're worried about the offensive production that Dye will give the Sox next year, then I don't want to know how poorly you think B. Anderson would do as an everyday starter. Of course this offense will likely suffer if PK leaves via free agency. It would be up to KW to use some of the money saved to bring another dynamic to this offense.

QUOTE(Nokona @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) Millah for DH? How about we go after players that have proven they can still produce after the drug testing has been put in place?

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) Timo played first this year, why dont we put him there? Wouldnt it be the same thing as putting Dye there? Do some of the people in this thread just not read the article that prompted these posts?

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) Yes, if the other 3 are drunk and passed out.. and still Paulie only wins by hair. I'm the last person to ever be called a Sox homer....and you're completely wrong.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) So Dye to 1B???? SHould I automatically start a thread where a-row catches, because its about as likely. It's shocking to me how some people just don't get it when it comes to baseball positioning. It's really as likely that Rowand catches? I call bulls*** on that. Dye already played 1b a game this season, and Ozzie has said he's comfortable with Dye at that position. This is all pure speculation, and Dye playing 1b should be about the Sox's 5th option next season.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) What errors? Man you must be on the rock.. Paulie is by far the slowest..take off the White Sox blinders.. Konerko is faster than LeCroy, Molina, and Jason Phillips.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) since when do we have a spot open in the OF? FYI, Brian Anderson is ready, and IF there is a spot open, it will be his. We wont bring in another player to fill in an OF spot, especially someone like Jaque Jones. Again, as the title of this thread suggests, it's regarding a situation where Dye goes to 1b. Thus, we would then have RF open. I don't think Anderson is ready to be a full-time starter at the MLB level on a contending team. He'd be better off getting a full year as a 4th outfielder. If we were to lose PK, and basically replaced his offense with Anderson.....our offense would be worse next season than it was for a good portion of this season. And don't tell me you don't want Jones cause he K's too much. Anderson would strike out a ton if he played 130 games also in the majors.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) So you really think Jones is a possible scenario? Knowing all that you do about our system, our players chemistry, and KW? Absolutely. He's the type of fighter than KW and Ozzie would love. If we can bring in AJP, we can bring in anyone. I know we all want the Sox to get someone like Giles for the outfield, but that's just not very realistic. If you get someone like Jones to play the outfield, you could then have Brian Anderson be his back-up for a season, and get playing time against tough lefty pitchers.