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BTW Duke, I went back and reviewed this thread. You said Grossman was about the same as Orton. I don't know how anyone could have watched the Bears games this year, and honestly thought that. Unless you like quarterbacks born in Iowa, I don't think there's a single person on this planet who could objectively say that they're comparable.

Now that the honeymoon period is over for Vince Young, why do scouts think he's the third best QB in this draft now?

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) .... I really wish I wasnt a Bears fan.. we easily without a doubt have the dumbest fans ever. On every board they are on the buttend of every dumb fan joke. Considering I'm probably the last person to ever be called a homer, I'm going to call you out on this. All you have to do is use your own f***ing eyes, and you can see that Grossman can be a pretty damn good QB in this league. If both players are healthy and I had to win one game, I would take Grossman over Michael Vick in a heartbeat. Grossman might not make the highlight play, but he's not going to beat his own team like Vick might do.

QUOTE(DukeNukeEm @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:51 PM) Oh and about Grossman, he f***in sucks.. thats UNDENIABLE. He's put up horrible statistics, and if 21 points is supposed to be impressive then we have a bigger problem. Whats lacking from the Bears is completely undeniable.. its a good QB. Dump Grossman. NOW Thanks for the laugh. Grossman definitely doesn't suck. As a matter of fact, I'd rather have Grossman as my QB the next 3 years than I would Vince Young. Someone's going to be very disappointing when they draft Vince Young, and they realize he can't throw for s***. And BTW, Jay Cutler is going to be the first QB picked.

Can we please change the title of this to properly spell the last name correctly?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 06:20 AM) Even if Thomas was a great clubhouse guy, it probably would have improved. Isn't Thome one of the best clubhouse guys in the MLB? That's what I've heard. By the way... Good God, I just read the article you posted. I can't believe Frank said that crap, especially about a supposed friend like Thome. A lot of people think Thome isn't one of the best clubhouse guys in the majors, he is the best. Him and Ellis Burks have always been considered two of the best team players. Yeah, I know there's a lot of love for Frank on these boards recently, but his comments today really make me feel like telling Frank... :finger

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 06:13 AM) You'd think Frank would learn some tact as he ages... :headshake I know there are many insiders that think the change from Thomas to Thome will make the Sox clubhouse infinitely better.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Frank always seems to try and get the last word in, and once again, he shows that he just doesn't get it. The part which really makes him look like a tool is when he says he wouldn't have thrown out the first pitch at Game 1. See ya Frank.

Guys...it's real f***ing simple. Buehrle's not an ace. He's a Hall of Fame CLOSER! Seriously, did I get in a time machine back to September, where this same argument was taking place?

Quick tidbit....Chris Young was going to be ranked 2nd on the list.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 01:45 AM) I will go ahead and guess the top 5 minus #1, who I already know. 1.********** 2. Anderson 3. Broadway 4. Liotta 5. Sweeney Fathom, can you tell me if I am close? Not close at all

No one is close to getting the top 5 so far. If you want to know the top 5, just PM me.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:57 AM) seanez has been in pretty much every major league locker room in his career, and was a red sox two years ago. he was effected majorly by pitching in a pitchers park, he'll be the john halama of next season (gone by july). But his best years have been with the Braves and the Padres, from what I can recall. His stuff really rebounded last season, and he had some of the best stuff I saw from a reliever all season (slightly behind Kevin Walker).

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:50 AM) people are annoyed with how i post because i've liked the majority of moves/nonmoves the red sox have made this offseason (minus the seanez signing). if the red sox throw the house at coco crisp, i'll fault the fact that jeremy reed could have been had cheaper, or that dave roberts could have been a stop gap for a year or two while ellsbury grew but i'll still be ridiculed for being bias towards every move the red sox make. A few quick thoughts: - Coco Crisp is a very good player, and he'll help the Red Sox a lot more than people think. - Seanez will be a big contributor for the Red Sox because he's mostly pitched in the NL during his career. He can strikeout a ton of guys, and since most haven't seen his pitches yet, he'll be pretty effective (of course, his chances of staying healthy rival that of Kerry Wood). - MLB scouts think that the Red Sox might be one of the teams most effected by the crackdown on greenies.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:42 AM) tony asked for my opinion, i gave him a brief explanation. your entitled to read whatever you would like, just avoid this thread next time. Fair enough. I was just trying to sum up why some people are annoyed with your postings on here. However, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I know the best thing that happened to me on this site was when some people voiced their displeasures with my posting style. It taught me to lighten up a bit, and to realize that, for the most part, we're all WHITE Sox fans on this site.

How about this: I don't give a flying f*** about the Red Sox. If I wanted to hear someone praise every single move they made, I'd listen to Peter Gammons. Willie Harris is a AAAA player, and unless you consider being able to hit 15 hop grounders to the 2nd baseman as a skill, I don't consider him very talented. I love what he did in the 8th inning of Game 4 of the World Series. I'll always like him because of that. For the rest of his Sox career, he was a pretty big disappointment.

Crisp is a very, very good player, and I'm happy he's gone. Also, if they go from Bettancourt to Mota, that would be a downgrade. Mota's a clubhouse cancer, and his stuff has deteriorated in the last few years.

I think Uribe has the chance to be a better 2nd hitter than Iguchi. I really thing the extra focus he'll have to have to take pitches and go the other way will help him greatly.

He has the right person. He'll be the cover boy for the issue.

BTW, has it become public knowledge who Baseball America is going to name as the Sox #1 prospect? It's quite interesting.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 07:49 PM) I can understand him saying that about Willie. The question is...would he say that if they also signed Timo? Considering it seems the Red Sox have NEVER made a bad move, I'm not sure. I'll always appreciate Willie for the 8th inning of Game 4 of the World Series. Besides that, he was a pretty mediocre player, in my opinion. As someone mentioned earlier, if he was only as good as he thought he was, he would have been a special player.

That's funny, cause I thought when the White Sox non-tendered Willie and Timo, it was a sign that the offseason was a success.

Who would have ever guessed that Peanut and Moose would absolutely suck today?

QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 13, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Yes, agreed, give him some time. He sounds like a bright guy and I'm sure he understands the game. One thing I noticed on the conference call ... the inordinate number of times Singleton said "y'know". "Well, y'know, because I just finished playing, y'know, I'm pretty sure I, y'know, can relate to the players but by the same, y'know, token I can point out the y'know, positives and be objective." Sometimes I wonder if these athletes listen to themselves and realize how many times they drop in "y'know". Anyway, I hope that's the first thing they work on improving, y'know. No one does it more than Freddy Garcia.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 12, 2006 -> 08:14 PM) Ha, some people really need to settle down. If someone were to read this thread without looking at the title, they would think the Sox just signed a crappy player when there were 40 big-name players on the market. Take it easy. It's just the radio. It's like people are just looking for a reason to be pissed off this offseason. Since the second that the Rooney news broke, it's simply amazed me how angry people got upset about the whole radio announcing team. In today's age of the satellite dish, I could care less about who's doing the announcing. Chris Singleton is a good guy, and the Sox organization LOVES him. Many people within the organization regret letting him go a few years ago, as it had a negative effect on the clubhouse for a few years.