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QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) No, it's not either way. It's alledged. And your comments are irresponsible. No better than Viz.. :rolly whatever. You really don't think Urbina has some baggage? I've been told for years that he has an awful reputation within baseball, and recent events only scare me off more from him joining the Sox. Sure, he may very well be innocent of the crime....but it's not like being charged with attempted murder should just be brushed off like it's no big deal. UU had a 4.5 ERA in 2004, and then a 4.13 ERA in his time with the Phillies last year. We're not talking about the marquee closer that he once was. His fastball has lost like 8 mph in the last few years, and he'll still cost you at least 3 million. For our 5th or 6th reliever in the pen, give me Viz. In no way could I see UU having no problem not pitching but once a week.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) Alleged.. and heaven for bid someone be accused of something that isn't true.. remember there are some pissed off rebels still on the loose who weren't able to cash in on kidnapping his mother - which many feel was an inside job... Either way, the guy has a ton of baggage right now, and isn't someone I'd want my team to have to count on. Not only that....but he's not very good. He makes a lot of money for someone who is no better than Viz now.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) does anyone else feel that 4/52 is shockingly (almost insultingly) low in terms of years/total money I think it's more than PK deserves to get, but it won't be enough to get him.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 02:43 PM) I don't know how much of a pipe dream it is. If Matsui has interest in this club, which that quote suggests, I see no reason why he can't be had if Konerko walks. Then, a trade for Overbay seems like the most plausible way to replace Konerko (that isn't an in-house replacement). It doesn't sound easy, but I really don't think it sounds like a pipe dream. The one thing we can all agree on is that it would be unacceptable for the Sox to do nothing if they lose PK. Replacing PK with Dye at 1b and Anderson in the outfield, or sticking Gload at 1b, would be a great way to slow down the momentum from last season.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 7, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) He recruits dirty, that's how. So you're saying he just started to recruit illegally once he went to Kansas? The thing I don't get when Illini fans b**** that Self is cheating now is that it would also implicate that he cheated in signing Deron, Dee, etc.

Urbina's had a terrible reputation for a long time in baseball, well before he tried to kill someone. Not only that, but he's the type of pitcher who would start to b**** if he wasn't used frequently (like the role Viz had last year).

QUOTE(Fingish @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) Urbina Story Someone suggested getting Urbina because of the Venezuela connection, well, his price just dropped by a ton. Attempted Murder charges usually don't enhance a FA's value. This might all be crap, and Oswaldo would be the one to know whether the guy is in real trouble or if something will be worked out. I'll take him for league minimum plus incentives and send Vizcanio somewhere else. damn, the guy had a 1.15 WHIP and a .186 BAA, ok, even with the charges I'll give him $500k + incentives... Urbina? Not a chance in hell he should be brought in.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 03:33 PM) I doubt he will be anything like ELo. If he concentrates the whole year and really works hard he could have an ERA below 3 and be one of the dominating pitchers in the game. We need to lock him up, not think about giving him away. I wasn't expecting Loaiza to be a perennial Cy Young winner, but after that magical season he had with his cutter, I never thought he'd have the problems that he did the next season.

It's too bad the XFL isn't still around, because these two would be the centerpiece of the league.

that went well

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 11:59 PM) How far away was the FG Gould missed? I have little confidence from any distance. 47 yards

Great catch/throw!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 11:56 PM) At least one will be 8 feet over Moose's head, hopefully the other is good. Like I said, 2 passes.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) Keep. It. On. The. Ground. We're going to see 2 passes now.

With a home game next week vs the 49ers, this is a huge drive for the Bears.

Wade's having a terrible game returning punts/decision making.

That's a huge stop by the Bears.

That's a great effort by Edwards. Lovie should ask for a review there.

This drive is off to a fantastic start.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 11:36 PM) OMG TWO TIMES?!?!?!?!?! That's the funny thing with the Bears defense....they'll dominate all game, and then just have no prayer on a drive. I'm not criticizing their defense at all though. Kyle Orton should be ashamed of his performance today, and the fact the Bears still have a chance to win is a testament to their defense.

Saints are just carving up the Bears defense right now. That's two drives this game where they've marched the field with ease.

Good kick...very important to tie the score prior to the half.

I can honestly say I've never seen the original King Kong, but that was the most impressive trailer I've ever seen.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 6, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) Every single game he overthrows his recievers... you would think in week 9 they would be able to fix the prob. The thing I don't get is that the media says that his strength in college was throwing the deep ball. Whenever I watched Purdue games, it seemed like every pass was a 7 yard slant.

It's up to the Bears defense to score to win this game.