fathom

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:10 AM) It isn't Oz's fault Freddie sucked in the biggest game of his Sox career. The 4-0 lead was death even though we did battle back. We only win of late when we get DOMINANT pitching and he sucked. We had a spirited comeback to take the lead heading into the 8th. Ozzie had to get us 6 outs with our relievers, and he pulled our best reliever so he could bring in his buddies Viz and Marte. What more does Cotts have to do to get a bigger role w/this team?

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:09 AM) I wish Ozzie would play matchups in the seventh, Pollite in the eigth, and Hermanson or Jenks in the ninth. That is the way I would handle the bullpen. Hermanson can't be in a close game now. I love the guy for what he's done this year, but a back injury has really hurt his overall game now.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:07 AM) Do the A's deserve to make it with their paper thin lineup and overrated starters like Dick Hard-on and Rich Haren? Do the Red Sox deserve to make it with their patchwork bullpen and inconsistencies? Do the Yankees deserve to make it with their ludicrous rotation? Any more than the Sox do? The great part is that we'll see in 13 games. I will be absolutely pissed though if I see any whining on here if the Sox don't make the playoffs that go like this "how can Ozzie get bashed, we won 94 games, and still didn't make the playoffs"! You have a 15 game lead on August 1st, you need to find a way to make it.

This team deserves to have a chance to make the playoffs. Out of every negative thing I've been saying this year, the one constant is this: IF THE SOX DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, THEY DON'T DESERVE TO MAKE IT. THEY WOULD HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES!

QUOTE(letsgoarow @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:06 AM) or it could be 5 in wc and 3.5 in division You mean like it was heading into today when everyone couldn't imagine how much our lead had diminished?

The Indians are finding ways to win, and the Sox are finding ways to lose. It's basically the first half of the season in reverse.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:55 AM) How will all you Sox fans be spending your October? Seeing how there will be no playoff baseball on the South Side yet again and probally not for the next 5 years because this Indians team will dominate the AL central for that long maybe longer. Like I have recent Octobers.....hoping for the best for the Sox offseason, and getting ready for college basketball season. I think we can all agree that this isn't the team of destiny that many felt it was, and that if they miss the playoffs, we'll get over it. I'm on the record saying we'll have a better Sox team in the next 5 years. By better, I mean a team with a better chance to win the World Series. This team simply has too little offense, and an awful manager.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 04:00 AM) You forget so quickly that Crede started the rally which got the Sox on the board with the RBI single, eh? Yeah, it's funny how some people always get bashed, no matter what they do.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:56 AM) Yes. There is something wrong with it. You might not believe it, but Ozzie got the team to where it is today (FIRST PLACE IN THE AL IF YOU FORGOT), and despite some poor decisions in games, he is not the only one to blame. It's a 162 game season.

Wow, a new creative title for "In or Out"? The funny thing is that it doesn't matter at all what couch potatoes like myself or anyone else say. If starting a thread like this makes you feel better, then kudos to you for trying. I know we're all just searching for anything positive right now. BTW...I predicted 3 weeks ago we wouldn't make the playoffs in chat, and I'm standing with that prediction. Will I be happy if we make it? f*** yes, just as much as anyone else.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:53 AM) So blame the players for playing horribly. Again, I understand that Ozzie is partly to blame, but he doesnt deserve all of it. A lot of these games have been lost by the pitching either being left in too long, or questionable choices of relievers. It would be awful if the Sox missed out on the playoffs. But I think the best way they could try and salvage things would be if they fired Ozzie. I know you're a big Ozzie fan....but look around. 90 pct of Sox fans can't stand him, and the other 10 will turn on him also if they choke.

QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) This was the one game in the series that CLE had the pitching matchup in their favor. We beat those odds but then Oz managed us right out of the win. This team is NOT cooked. Tue and Wed will go our way. book it. I'd like our chances a lot better if we could get rid of the person who managed us out of the win.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:51 AM) Is there anything new there? As far as I can tell, you always blame Ozzie. SOMEONE HAS TO BE f***ING BLAMED FOR THIS COLLAPSE!!!

I'm pretty sure this was the 12th game the Sox have lost when leading going into the 7th inning. With the success so many of our guys in the pen have had this year, that number is way too f***ing high.

What did Cliff Politte do that Viz has done better? What did Cotts do that Marte has done better? I'm sorry, but I'm sick of some of the s*** I see going on with Ozzie.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:43 AM) We still lead the Yankees by 4 games which is a fairly commanding lead at this point in the season. Not when we play the best team in baseball 5 more times, as well as having to face Santana in a game. The Yanks and Red Sox have easy schedules the rest of the way, besides 3 against each other. We were up like 10 on the Yanks about a week ago.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:43 AM) 1. Making the playoffs by default and then getting swept badly or 2. Missing the playoffs and seeing the outrage in the media and at SoxFest Jan 28-30 That's a tough choice....Either should be entertaining at least... Nothing would be worse than missing the playoffs. I wonder if Steve Stone is brushing up on possible transactions this offseason?

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) Why is this happening to our team? - A manager w/no feel for how to handle pitching - Inactivity at the deadline - Lack of a number 3 hitter - Terrible approach at the plate by our hitters - Fantastic Indians team - Starting pitching that was overused all season ....and much, much more

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:40 AM) Are you kidding me. No fire...down 4-0, tie it up, than take the lead. Marte walked a guy and the walk really bit the club in the ass. Lack of execusation late in the game, maybe, but at the same time the Sox showed a ton of fire, regardless of what you or any other fan that whines about this team choking will tell me. FWIW, I saw a lot more fire from this team, and the crowd was fantastic tonight.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:38 AM) who would have thought no playoffs for this team.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:38 AM) Congratulations Cleveland....good luck in the playoffs. Gents, see ya in March. Hopefully w/an entire different team.

Wow, he got a massive hanger there. This team f***ing blows, and it all starts at the top.

No one else I'd rather have bat here. Willie should be running immediately for Everett.

Oh for PK to get a chance this game!

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 03:32 AM) OMG, that was a freaking hanger. Like usual