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Lets jump out to an early lead!

Belliard just missed one after a long AB.

We're having problems catching up to the below 90 mph fastball so far.

Pods K's weakly

I'm just going to back away.

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Yankees and Red Sox have both jumped to early leads in their games tonight. It would be great if one of them lost tonight.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) I guess when one runs out of things to complain about, complaining about the announcers takes center stage. If DJ has you shaking your head, maybe it's because he played the game and what he's saying might be over your head? Quit complaining for once, sheesh. Seriously, get the f*** off my back. I know personal attacks aren't allowed, but if you have ABSOLUTELY nothing to contribute to a thread, then just stay the f*** out of it. I haven't seen you do anything but b**** about people b****ing for the last few weeks. The point I made about what DJ said is a very valid point worthy of being discussed. I know I wasn't the only one who was scratching my head when he said it.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 10:16 PM) True that, but I would rather him just retire the side 1, 2, 3. HA! There's a better chance that Dye gets a bunt down than that happening against the Indians.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) I think he presented it the wrong way during the game, but I knew what he meant. I would rather get beat trying to attack the hitter than walking him and having him score later. I know this is simple and may sound arrogant, but I just want my closer to get 3 outs without allowing a run. Contrary to popular belief, a leadoff double has a much greater chance of scoring than a leadoff walk. I know leadoff walks always seem to kill teams, but a double not only avoids the double play, but it allows the other team to execute well and get a run without having to get a hit.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) That is exactly right. And I agree with that line of thinking. He wants to at least give the defense a chance. Last time I checked, a walk isn't a guaranteed run. A homer is a guaranteed run. Also, a double puts the opposition in such a better position to score, as they don't even need another hit to get the runner in.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) DJ's stupid sometimes, and when he made that comment that was one of the times, although I must admit he is a far better broadcaster now than he ever was, which really isn't saying much. I actually agreed with Ozzie playing the infield back, although the corners appeared to be in at least halfway. The infield in increases the chances of a hit, a hit that would have given Cleveland the lead. If there was no runner on second he would have had everyone up. The moved worked out for the best, as the Sox won. I just thought that Ozzie was more content with the tie then trying to win the game. Also, maybe it was for the best because Belliard basically gave himself up to get the run home, and he could have done more damage if he tried to get a hit. And yes, DJ is much improved from the level he used to be at. Too bad the other announcer is the opposite.

QUOTE(shakes @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:28 PM) I think DJ actually said he would of rather gave up a shot off of the center feied wall. It made no sense to me at all. In fact, my girlfriend even said that was a rediculous statement. Yes, that's indeed what he said.

Simply put: You allow your pitcher to go as many innings as they can while they still look sharp without having them throw too many pitches. If all the pitcher gives you in 7 innings, it's still a PHENOMENAL start if they give up zero runs. If the names were switched, and Buehrle went 7-0, I bet you wouldn't be as critical as you seem to be.

I've been a believer for a while this team won't make the playoffs. However, that doesn't mean I can't root like crazy for this team. That was the single biggest win I can remember as a Sox fan.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) The Sox own our souls. Why does it seem so much more this year than previous seasons? At least for me, I feel like I've been following all the games this season a lot closer than previous years. Oh well, at least it's paid off with a pennant race!

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:45 PM) Yea, Ozzie did make those mistakes, but he didnt lose the game for the Sox in any of those instances (or lose the lead like last night). The fact of the matter is, that he might have left Freddy in for too long, but when it comes down to it, the Sox still should have won, and didnt because of their poor fielding, which is something Ozzie cant do. Agreed. Ozzie is the scapegoat for this "collapse" for a lot of people. Some of the most optimistic/positive posters on this site have turned against him lately.

Was I the only one who thought DJ had absolutely no idea what he was talking about in the 9th inning last night? He kept saying that it was better to let Perralta hit a bullet off the wall, rather than walking him leading off the inning. Did DJ know it was a one run game? If it's a two run game, that's a whole different story. However, a walk in that situation is much better than a leadoff double. I saw some people saying that they would have rather seen Jenks give up a homer than a walk? I know there's a big sense of doom with this team now, but YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! I still vehemently disagree with Ozzie playing the infield back after the Rowand debacle. Oh well, we won....but DJ still has me shaking my head.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:39 PM) Good question I get pissed off when people blame Ozzie for things which he didnt do. Such as that loss to KC, when Dye and Pods couldnt field. Is it Ozzie's fault? No. But was he blamed? Yes. Is it Ozzie's fault that Jenks has sucked the last two days? No. But was he blamed? Probably. Ozzie was blamed for that KC debacle because he left Garcia in way too long, thus giving KC a chance to get back into the game. I had absolutely no problem with Ozzie letting Jenks pitch the 9th last night. As for the night before, I had a big problem with Marte facing VMart. However, Jenks still should have been able to make the big pitch and get A.F. Boone out.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:30 PM) Prior won, Zambrano didn't. Tell me which start really means more to the team. That's one of his best outings of the year, and he still struggled enough that he couldn't finish off the game. Are you trying to say that 7 innings of shutout ball isn't as important as 9 innings of shutout or 1 run ball? With better command that probably would have been the result of that outing. Prior gave up 3 runs, Zambrano gave up 0! I'll take the 7-0 before the 9-3 every single time from my starter. How is it Zambrano's fault that his bullpen couldn't get 6 outs? I'd much rather have my pitcher walk the occasional batter than to just pipe the pitch on the 3-2, and let the batter hit it as far as they can. Ask Mark Buehrle about that!

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) Only when you are pessimistic and blaming Ozzie for everything Are you talking about me, or the other 75 percent on this site who have completely turned on Ozzie?

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:18 PM) The Cubs lost that game. Because they had to pull him, the Cubs' horses*** bullpen came in and blew the game. That's a major reason to give a s***. The Sox couldn't touch him, but because he often struggles with his control he wasn't available to finish the game. Another inning or two would have made a big difference. He went 7 innings, and didn't allow a run. No matter how you want to try and use that statistic to make your case, that's a fantastic start. That's an even better start than what Prior did the next day, when he went the whole game and allowed 3 runs. It's not like he was only able to go 5 innings because of his pitch count that game.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) Thats basically what I've done for every Sox game since the All-Star game (which is when I bought MLB.tv) Its been great Besides for having to communicate with me, I'm sure!

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 06:27 PM) Exactly...we can't get Greedy. And remember the Rally Crede works in mysterious ways. That's why I'm staying away from official adopting the avatar. The Rally Crede, as Jas proved last night, it based on positive thoughts. With positivity not being one of my strong suits, and being the superstitious fan that I am, I'll gladly stay out of the picture and let my fellow Sox fans pick up the slack.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) also remember the game he pitched against the Sox. He threw a 1 hitter. But he also walked like 5 guys so that pretty much means he allowed 6 baserunners. He had to come out after 7 innings because his pitch count was so high. Buehrle probably completes that game. Who gives a s***, he didn't allow any runs. Sometimes, it's not a bad thing to walk a batter (no matter what DJ says in the 9th inning). Especially during a game where the opposing team's pitcher had to bat, it's not really a bad thing to pitch around the lower part of the order.